Ryan Ginstrom wrote:

> "Eric Takabayashi" <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> news:41729DA5.F43F2003@yahoo.co.jp...
> > Ryan Ginstrom wrote:
> > > OK. Well, of the rapes that happened during the occupation I would say
> that
> > > it is not a war crime, which (I think) was your original question.
> >
> > Is it better than a war crime, then, to rape after the conflict is
> declared
> > over?
>
> Depends on the war crime and the rape.
> And no, you won't get me into a "discussion" (Eric style) over which
> atrocities were worse than others.

There is no need to claim any are.

So why be so pissed off at Japanese or Germans (only) for what they have
done, when even Americans have done similar things? It even seems that
Americans are doing things now, that Japanese and Germans are not.

> > > For the rapes that happened during the war, I guess you would have to
> look
> > > at each case.
> >
> > Why?
>
> Because some crimes committed during war are war crimes, and some are just
> crimes.

Should crimes after war have a different burden of proof? Do Okinawans and
Japanese have to step forward to testify in a court of law to have their
individual accusations investigated and judged before condemning US service
personnel the way Japanese are condemned as a people or criticized for their
history?

> > > But whether given actions were "war crimes" is not a very good way to
> > > categorize the suffering of the Okinawans, IMO.
> >
> > So what should Japan and the US do about it, then?
>
> About what?

"The suffering of the Okinawans", which you brought up. How should their
suffering be categorized?

> > How about "Kurombo Gama"?
>
> OK, so now you made me go and google it up.

So you really have not heard about something which was made so public. So why
should you "not knowing" about wartime or occupation rapes even in the area
in which you live, mean anything?

I "don't know" why Japanese deserve special condemnation for doing what
individuals, armies and nations have done historically or even in the present
day, or why only they should be apologetic.

> Pretty gruesome stuff, but hardly evidence of widespread raping.

I do not make claims of widespread rape. But if you see nothing to condemn US
servicemen even during WWII, then what have you seen in your lifetime that
convinces you of what Japanese did in Nanking?

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