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> "Austin P. So (Hae Jin)" <haejin@netinfo.ubc.ca> wrote in message
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> Yes I can say that a certain given country, or rather it's current
reigning
> regime is evil.

Very good. By the criteria and logic you use, WTC was an entirely
justifiable attack according to muslim extremists...

> And no, not every person in that country need be crazy.
> A few thousand deaths of enemy combatants fighting American troops do not
> phase me, no.

Sure...military deaths (or massacres in the case of the Iraqi army) are
anticipated
and acceptable.

But I was, in fact, referring to "collateral damage"...you know these things
that tend to get in the way called "civilians"...

> > > It's damn easy to be liberal when you've got nothing to lose.
> > Sorry...that is just a load of shit.
> No, not necessarily.

Whatever...

> > Having kids has had the opposite effect...it has made me more acutely
aware
> > of the importance of living as a community rather than in armed camps.
It
> > has taught me that difficult circumstances more that anything else are
> > created by insecurities and by fear and by a refusal to accept the
humanity
> > of your "enemy".

> And having kids did not instill any sense of desire to protect them? Now
and
> in the future?
> That's strange Austion...even animals do.

Yes. "Animals do". Remember that.

> > Kay hasn't defended the KJI regime. Kay, like me, believes that the
> current
> > regime is not purposely starving its population. Famine has forced the
> > regime to decide who and what are the important things to maintain.
> >
> Well then I am afraid we differ in our opinions. I am of the belief that
the
> KJI government knew damn well from the outset just what "sacrifices" the
people were
> going to have to make to support the Songun policy.

And? Do you even understand what I just wrote?

> I do not believe they could be that stupid.
> And I'm not talking
> about the well to do party affiliated families in Pyongyang either.

Hey....I thought you were all into protecting yourself first..."even animals
do". In fact, that is what it is, isn't it? The behaviour of animals to
protect only themselves and their livelihood.

The North Korean regime believed that the military was the most important
thing to preserve. Full stop.

You can try to claim moral superiority over that choice, but that is exactly
the kind of behaviour that "conservatives" do according to you: close ranks,
look after their own skin and say screw everybody else.

> > What % of the GNP of the US is spent on military? How many people in the
US
> > are starving? Are living in absolute poverty?
> >
> > Now...imagine if 1% of that military spending were instead spent of
social
> > programs. Does that mean that the US is *purposely* starving it populace
> > because a % of it is starving?

> The example you gave is meaningless because the United States can and does
> feed it's people while maintaing the largest military on the face of this
earth. It is larger
> than the combined military of the entire European Union.

Oh...so poverty figures are just a scheme by left-wing whackos...

The *point* is that the US pursues this policy at the expense of a certain %
of the population.

Yes, it is a matter of degrees for sure, but only because the US is more or
less self-reliant on its agricultural resources. And *despite* the fact that
it has the amount of agricultural resources at its disposal, it *still* has
a % of the population that is "starving".

Now in contrast, North Korea has wholly been dependent on the Soviet Bloc
for its agricultural needs. It has *never* had the agricultural base to be
self-sufficient. And what happens? The Soviet Bloc fell apart. And then they
faced 3 years of successive flooding.

All this occurred while the US and the North regarded itself as enemies at
the brink of a conflict.

So tell me...you can all talk about how great the US is, but try to convince
me that when push comes to shove a whole lot of people ain't gonna fall
through the cracks is just naivete...why do you think I brought up the 1000+
arabs? And what about the Japanese interned?

> And before you start telling me about the homeless in the US please don't
> forget that we are talking about starvation on a
> humanitarian crisis scale, as in an estimated 2,000,000 people dying of
> starvation in the 1990s.

Right. Do you remember what "famine" means and what generally causes
famines?

> Finally, as far as the "threat" from Al Quaida, they are not the
equivalent
> of "bellicose statements", they have already attacked thje United States
killing
> some 3,000 people.

You didn't get the analogy so forget it...

> In comparison, North Korea despite technically being in a state of war
since
> 1953, hasn't actually fought any wars since then.

So what?

> Yet they need the Songun policy
> for what?

You're joking right?

> That policy is designed not only to defend
> North Korea but to keep the populace under strict military control in a
> constant state of "readiness".

"Department of Homeland Security". "Red Scare". "MacCarthyism". "Orange
alert".

> It is one of the means by which the KJI regime maintains it's power. And
the
> people azre expectec to make "sacrifices" to keep that regime in power.
Wonderful little place,
> isn't it?

And you guys are willling to vote people who have these expectations into
office.

Look...you are criticizing the regime for the wrong reasons. Just drop it.

> > There are other reasons to criticize the North Korean regime, but
accusing
> > them of starving their populace on purpose is asinine.
> >
> Nope..you just know the whole picture. Being Korean doesn't make you an
> automatic expert on North Korea.

Hello? Nor does being american...

The difference is that despite ideological differences or whatever, I regard
them as family. So I assign a certain level of value in the lives of the
average north
Koreans (which you clearly don't) in addition to the lives of americans and
the rest of humanity.
Afterall, didn't you say they were all brainwashed into hating americans?

> I have a need to be part of the crowd??? Funny everyone else seems to
think
> I am way out there on my own.

Quote...Most Korean-Americans think you two are as retarded as I
do...unquote.

So...please do tell...who are these "most"?

> > > In the United States we are ALL Americans first. In WWII, the
> > > Japanese-Americans made a choice.
> >
> > A "choice"? What "choice" did these Japanese-americans have?
> >
> > > Today there are Arab-Americans making a choice.
> >
> > What "choice" are you referring to?
> >
> Do I really need to spend another 15 minutes explaining this to you?

You don't provide context and you expect that someone is supposed to
understand your gibberish?

What "choice" did arab-americans and japanese-americans make? Both were
interned/incarcerated based on ethnicity alone. This *despite* their
allegiance to the flag. This *despite* the fact that many JAs fought against
the Japanese and Germans for the US.

So what "choice" are you talking about?

> Maybe not maybe yes, But the US has probably made more strides to
eliminate
> racism than most other countries.

ROFL~!

Austin