"Eric Takabayashi" <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
news:41832351.15972E6B@yahoo.co.jp...
> FreddieN wrote:
>
> > > It's not crazy. It's just a wildly sweeping generalization which is
how I
> > responded to it.
> > >
> > You know Eric...90% of observations we make are generalizxations. If you
are
> > going to question edvery little commonly held belief as being a sweeping
> > genberalization...well it's going to take a long time to move on in this
> > discussion.
>
> All right then, let's just address you and the other poster's incredibly
> anti-Chinese, anti-foreigner in the US comments. Thank you for being so
clear,
> because I could simply delete the previous hundreds of lines of text which
had
> taken me some time to write in an effort at response to you.
>

Firstly lets clarify what you just said. I am "anti-Chinese".
I am not especially "anti-foreigner in the US". I did use that an an example
and frankly the jury is still out on this as far as my personal opinion is
concerned. But you needed to be here in the US from before 911 to see just
how
much the US government and the publics attitude has changed towards not only
illedgal aliens but even legal aliens as well. Americans have for years
complained about
Japans immigration authorities. Well we are now photographing and
fingerprinting all
visitors to the US even tourists. Soon we will be forcing other countries to
re-issue their
passports containing biometric data. The Japanese government, as far as I am
aware, has done
nothing to this extent.

> Just what is it you have against Chinese in Japan, Chinese online, or
Chinese
> and foreigners in general, that you will go so far as to agree with a
poster
> who excuses Japanese actions in WWII because of Chinese "perversion" or
suggest
> that the US crack down on foreigners (I assume you mean foreign LOOKING
people
> or those who speak a foreign language) in the US?
>
First lets be clear on who or what I am against. I am against the Chinese
both in and out of China
who flood the internet with anti-Japanese diatribe, much of it going beyond
any sort of rational
argument but rather a brainless repetitive dribble. BTW, a great majority of
these posters also
display anti-US sentiment as well. I have nothing against the many Chinese,
withion China, Hong Kong,
Taiwan or anywhere in the world who are against the CCP and it's oppression
of individual freedom.

These anti-Japanese posters, who harp on WWII and constantly talk about a
re-militarized Japan,
are, working against current US policy. Japan has right-wingers to be sure,
just like many other
countries, but the chances of become a militant governmet like that of WWII
is slim to none.
China today is a far far grteater threat to east asia, as they seem to have
no hesitation in threatening
others with the use of military force. China has invaded and occupies Tibet.
And these Chinese posters
still go on and on about "Japan being a threat". This is nothing but pure
hipocracy.

I could go on and on, but thats ebough for now.

> > Eric....no country teaches all of their bad history inschool textbooks.
>
> Which is why they should. I hold my own country and others to the standard
I
> expect of Japanese, and vice versa. When I complain about Japanese history
or
> treatment of foreigners in Japan, you better be sure I mean the same about
my
> own country and others.
>

Well as I said...you ought to get back here to the US and see how much has
changed
since 911. You could spend the rest of your life trying to bring the United
States
up to "your standards".


> > We were taught that the pioneers opened up the west to development while
> > occasionally exchanging hostilities with the "indians". We weren't
taught
> > that we massacred them, unarmed women and children, because our racial
> > beliefs at the time didn't force us to consider that they were humans.
We
> > weren't taught that we invented scalping then claimed that it was an
"indian"
> > practice.
>
> Then your education was not as complete as mine, as I learned those things
and
> others, from 7th grade.
>
Did it occur to you that I probably went to school much earlier thah you
did?

> > Up above you recognized that the Chinese police had to beat the
anti-Japanese
> > soccer spectators with sticks. You also recognized that it weas
necessary
> > because China is preparing to host the 2008 Olympics.
>
> I did neither.
>
> > And now you say that Japan hating is not out of control?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Why then Eric, did the chinese police in riot gear have to beat up those
> > anti-japanese chinese people?
>
> Because China's is an authoritarian government, which will kill or jail
its own
> people simply for protest.
>

Protest against what Eric? Against government policy.
Now can you put 2 and 2 together?

> > > You see nothing out of the ordinary here, even online?
> >
> > Nope. I can certainly say that I've seen far far worse.
> >
> > > What if people said the same of recent Israeli policy and the
Holocaust?
> > What if people said the same of US history, and more recent acts of
terror
> > against Americans? Would you see a problem there?
> > >
> > Actually I have heard very similar things said of current Israeli
policy, and
> > even from some Jewish people. And I've certainly heard things on the
same
> > level and worse said about Americans and American policy.
>
> And do you see a problem with it?
>

No, because in both cases above, I hear alot of gripes about things that are
going on now.
It's not griping over something that happened 60-70 years ago and nothing
can be done
about it now. That's a big difference.

> I myself have been in some trouble online for denouncing Israeli policy.
But I
> will never use it as justification for their treatment throughout history
or in
> WWII. And while I try to understand the hate many people have for the US
from
> US history, it is not justification for what is done against it.
>

That's right. Being against current Israeli policy has nothing to do with
the past.
If you refuse to justify the past injustice towards Jews because you happen
to
disagree with current Israeli policy, then you should be able  to understand
why I
cannot condone the current bewhavior of Chinese posters just because of what
some
members of the IJA did to some Chinese civilians in WWII.

> > > If there is nothing wrong, or at least nothing out of the ordinary,
why
> > does the Japanese man with the British PhD get crap for his posts (or
others
> > with Japanese handles for their posts), while this poster with a western
> > female name does not need to enter into a hundred post argument to
defend
> > herself and her anti-Chinese views?
> >
> > Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, there are alot of people out
> > there who happen to agree with her?
>
> That is not the point. People with Japanese handles are attacked for what
is
> construed as anti-Chinese comments, while that poster is not getting the
same
> treatment. At least not from flij posters who would attack and ridicule
people
> with Japanese handles or who claim to be Japanese. Why is it acceptable or
> desirable to attack "Japanese" for alleged anti-Chinese or Japan war
apologist
> comments, but not other posters who do not appear to be Japanese? Where is
> Ernest in all his fury, to attack you or this Aletheia person, the way he
will
> pick on a Japanese man?
>

Let me understand you here...are you suggesting that Enest and others
display
bigotry, a bias in this respect?