On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:49:16 -0400, Kevin Gowen
<kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote:

>> The American services that spend their life training and giving weapons to
>> groups of terrorists they call their allies. *Allies* that a few years later
>> attack the US. Like Bin Laden and his friends. Like the new Iraqi army and
>> police that is now getting a training in Bagdad.

>Holy shit! That's like how Saruman used to be Gandalf's ally, but then
>he attacked Helm's Deep!

No, Gandalf didn't train Saruman's orcs. Saruman not only trained them
he created them. 

I do like the Saruman - Bush analogy though. The only problem with
that is Saruman was a brilliant wizard and not a dumb hick.