Raj Feridun wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:49:16 -0400, Kevin Gowen
> <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>The American services that spend their life training and giving weapons to
>>>groups of terrorists they call their allies. *Allies* that a few years later
>>>attack the US. Like Bin Laden and his friends. Like the new Iraqi army and
>>>police that is now getting a training in Bagdad.
> 
> 
>>Holy shit! That's like how Saruman used to be Gandalf's ally, but then
>>he attacked Helm's Deep!
> 
> 
> No, Gandalf didn't train Saruman's orcs. Saruman not only trained them
> he created them. 
> 
> I do like the Saruman - Bush analogy though. The only problem with
> that is Saruman was a brilliant wizard and not a dumb hick.

And Obi-Wan trained Anakin Skywalker, who later betrayed him as Darth Vader!

- Kevin