Ernest Schaal wrote:

> in article XMA7e.6977$n93.825@twister.nyc.rr.com, ggg at
> goodgutgut@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 5:55 AM:
> 
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>>Ernest Schaal wrote:
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>>>in article p2w7e.15892$mp6.569780@twister.nyc.rr.com, ggg at
>>>goodgutgut@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 12:32 AM:
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>>>>Ernest Schaal wrote:
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>>>>>in article 425d5435$1@news.starhub.net.sg, jeanie at
>>>>>jeanie@antispamengineer.com wrote on 4/14/05 5:16 PM:
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>>>>>>Whatever your craps, the fact remained that the Japs killed millions of
>>>>>>human beings during that period and will have to live with those misdeeds
>>>>>>for the rest of the time of our civilisation. That 's the price one pay
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>being uncivilised.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Does this means that the Chinese will also have to live with their misdeeds
>>>>>for the rest of the time of our civilization? If not, why not?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Everybody pays for it so yes.  Looking at crime in the US , looking at
>>>>worldwide illegal immigration and looking at how fat Americans have
>>>>gotten and even French are getting fat and Chinese kids addicted to KFC
>>>>are enormous- the answer is yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>You didn't answer my question. I asked "Does this means that the Chinese
>>>will also have to live with THEIR misdeeds for the rest of the time of our
>>>civilization? If not, why not?" (emphasis added).
>>>
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>>My father actually believed that because of the Opium Wars and the
>>colonization of Hong Kong, no Chinese would ever take drugs or
>>facilitate drug taking because we would be permanently outraged.  But he
>>also thought that because the British knew how evil drugs were, the
>>British would never have a drug problem.  Do we reap what we sow, yes
>>but it looks like it's not so straightforward.  It looks like overall
>>the world suffers and so the people responsible suffer also because the
>>world is not a better place but do they realize that? Or do they get off
>>on having a superiority complex and having the power to choose who
>>deserves sympathy?
> 
> 
> Who is "they"? It sounds like all of China's problems are caused by this
> mysterious "they" and the "they" are not Chinese. That is the type of
> whitewash I was complaining about.
> 

I have provided an example of how borders are porous and that negative 
results aren't containable so that they only affect the people who 
started it. Anytime that bad behavior is created, everyone pays the 
price.  The pronoun refers to people responsible and I don't see that I 
was wrong to use that pronoun.  Who else was confused by that?  Let me know.



> 
>>>Instead of dealing with Chinese misdeeds, you tried to change the question
>>>to will they have to live with someone else's misdeeds. That is very
>>>dishonest of you.
>>>
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>>I didn't at all write what you have described above.
> 
> 
> Yes you did, you tried to change the question of whether or not China will
> have to live with America's misdeeds. Your denial is further proof of your
> dishonesty.
> 


China will have to live with America's misdeeds?  I didn't see that.  I 
was answering if you meant China has to live with their own misdeeds and 
my answer is yes but that results isn't satisfactory because the cost is 
paid by everyone because everything has a ripple effect and using opium 
to debilitate the Chinese population ended up hurting everyone.