in article VoB7e.6985$n93.5306@twister.nyc.rr.com, ggg at
goodgutgut@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 6:37 AM:

> Ernest Schaal wrote:
> 
>> in article XMA7e.6977$n93.825@twister.nyc.rr.com, ggg at
>> goodgutgut@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 5:55 AM:
>> 
>> 
>>> Ernest Schaal wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> in article p2w7e.15892$mp6.569780@twister.nyc.rr.com, ggg at
>>>> goodgutgut@yahoo.com wrote on 4/15/05 12:32 AM:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Ernest Schaal wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> in article 425d5435$1@news.starhub.net.sg, jeanie at
>>>>>> jeanie@antispamengineer.com wrote on 4/14/05 5:16 PM:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Whatever your craps, the fact remained that the Japs killed millions of
>>>>>>> human beings during that period and will have to live with those
>>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>>> for the rest of the time of our civilisation. That 's the price one pay
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> being uncivilised.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does this means that the Chinese will also have to live with their
>>>>>> misdeeds
>>>>>> for the rest of the time of our civilization? If not, why not?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Everybody pays for it so yes.  Looking at crime in the US , looking at
>>>>> worldwide illegal immigration and looking at how fat Americans have
>>>>> gotten and even French are getting fat and Chinese kids addicted to KFC
>>>>> are enormous- the answer is yes.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You didn't answer my question. I asked "Does this means that the Chinese
>>>> will also have to live with THEIR misdeeds for the rest of the time of our
>>>> civilization? If not, why not?" (emphasis added).
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> My father actually believed that because of the Opium Wars and the
>>> colonization of Hong Kong, no Chinese would ever take drugs or
>>> facilitate drug taking because we would be permanently outraged.  But he
>>> also thought that because the British knew how evil drugs were, the
>>> British would never have a drug problem.  Do we reap what we sow, yes
>>> but it looks like it's not so straightforward.  It looks like overall
>>> the world suffers and so the people responsible suffer also because the
>>> world is not a better place but do they realize that? Or do they get off
>>> on having a superiority complex and having the power to choose who
>>> deserves sympathy?
>> 
>> 
>> Who is "they"? It sounds like all of China's problems are caused by this
>> mysterious "they" and the "they" are not Chinese. That is the type of
>> whitewash I was complaining about.
>> 
> 
> I have provided an example of how borders are porous and that negative
> results aren't containable so that they only affect the people who
> started it. Anytime that bad behavior is created, everyone pays the
> price.  The pronoun refers to people responsible and I don't see that I
> was wrong to use that pronoun.  Who else was confused by that?  Let me know.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>>>> Instead of dealing with Chinese misdeeds, you tried to change the question
>>>> to will they have to live with someone else's misdeeds. That is very
>>>> dishonest of you.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I didn't at all write what you have described above.
>> 
>> 
>> Yes you did, you tried to change the question of whether or not China will
>> have to live with America's misdeeds. Your denial is further proof of your
>> dishonesty.

> 
> China will have to live with America's misdeeds?  I didn't see that.  I
> was answering if you meant China has to live with their own misdeeds and
> my answer is yes but that results isn't satisfactory because the cost is
> paid by everyone because everything has a ripple effect and using opium
> to debilitate the Chinese population ended up hurting everyone.


Thank you for the clarification. I would agree with your statement, as
restated.