"Peter Svensson" <sun1jack@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Disaster" <disaster@disfanfic.net> wrote:
> > Listen hard dense head, it had a number of outcomes, the one that Shinji
> > choose was one of them!
>
> Prove it.

If anyone with appropriate quotes can come forth it would help this guy a lot.

> We aren't given that much information on Instrumentality.

Apparently we are given more then you have realized thus far.

> What we do know is that it is a unification of humanity through the
> loss of AT fields. When AT fields begin to return, it won't be a
> unification of humanity any more, will it?

Of course not, but you realize that the formation of an ATF comes at the
realization of individuality right? It's a choice now.

> All entities won't be joined, as there will be individual life again.

If they choose.

> Instrumentality by its definition won't exist.

It's a method, a process. It will come, work and pass on, or be completed. Your
sentence doesn't make sense. It does exist, thus it will always have existed.

> Something similar may exist, but as long as there are AT fields, there
> exists pain, and the Instrumentality is no more.

Refer above.

> > Not the only one, but the only one chosen. It's not something that
> > you start and stop it got started, everyone entered Lilith as a part
> > of the process.
>
> Well, they all had their AT fields popped suddenly, causing their
> bodies to liquify from the sudden burst. Then their souls were drawn
> into Lillith/Adam.
>
> > Then Shinji went through mental hell as a part of the process then he made a
choice as the conclusion of the initial process. Everything after that is
determined by his choice.
>
> Yes. And his choice was to let there be people again.

No it wasn't! It was to let people choose for themselves by granting them the
possibility of returning.

> > As they are both on the beech at the end it seems possible that they were
> > both excluded.
>
> I did not say that they weren't excluded. I just said that there is no
> conclusive proof that Asuka was excluded from the process. I believe
> otherwise, as a close look at the damage done to her EVA seems to
> pretty much killed her before Instrumentality began in full. Her Entry
> Plug would have been lanced.

There is nothing showing us that her EP was punctured. In fact I believe
something came up that suggested quite the opposite.

> Since she is alive at the end, it seems to me that she did what Shinji
> is told is possible. She reformed her body from the LCL by imagining
> herself. The two of them being on the beach together can be explained
> as Asuka being the first to return to life.

Then why didn't we see her turn to LCL? Why was she one of a very few that we
didn't see loose their ATF's? How could she reform when you don't know that she
form into anything that would require her to reform from?

> Or maybe she managed to ride the whole thing out. We aren't sure. I
> just have my opinion on the subject, and I feel that Asuka died, and
> got better.
>
> > This was discussed in great detail a little while ago. Where
> > the hell were you?
>
> Disaster, calm down. Just because I may not agree with you is no
> reason to get snippy.

I'm snippy at random, you got lucky! I don't care if you don't agree with me.
It's when you continue to disagree that drives me up the wall. But that issue
was discussed in great detail. Whatever the hell is was, I remember thinking
that it was though. So it must have been.

> > You come back if you decide that you prefer your ATF to define you, yourself
> > and keep all others at a distance. That is to say if you want to be yourself
> > as an individual. As opposed to the unified soul that was created during
> > Instrumentality.
>
> Yes. I know. But the status quo for those who refuse to return to
> physical form was never explained. I'm guessing that they will die, as
> without Adam/Lillith to maintain the souls, they will go on to the
> beyond unless they choice to incorporate.

They are part of the Mega Soul now. All humanity is unless they learn and return
with their own ATF's. Without the ATF's they don't need/have mass. There is no
need for it. Thus they will not die without it. Likewise they won't be "them"
either. As "them" infers a plural and "a" soul is singular.

> But that's just a guess on my part. But since Shinji wants everything
> to return to normal, and having the souls of everyone on Earth as a
> lake isn't too normal, I think that something would have to happen to
> the Sea of LCL.

*Shrugs*
Depends on what happens after EoE I guess. Something that is not likely to
happen for us.
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