It seems to me I heard somewhere that Kevin Gowen wrote in article
<2qh8qpFv03a0U7@uni-berlin.de>:

>Don Kirkman wrote:

>> I always react automatically to the "Oriental" discussions, since the
>> late Edward Said, in proposing that it was a bad thing, was writing
>> about the Near East ("Oriental scholars" were those 19th/20th  century
>> dudes who were digging up Egypt and Troy), and IMO a handful of folks
>> tried to appropriate it to the Far East as well.  Within my lifetime I
>> continue to hear a fair number of ethnic Asians calling themselves, each
>> other, and their enterprises "Oriental" without either regret or
>> recrimination, right here in little old California.

>They obviously learned how to speak English from hicks.

Cute, but off the mark.  Some of those ethnic Asians come from ancestors
who have been in California since the mid-1850s, many since around 1900,
and tons since 1954.  Many are professionals with college degrees.  But
you knew, or reasonably should have known, that.
-- 
Don
Old age is when you start saying "I wish I knew now what I knew then."