<declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> kuri wrote:
> > <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > Depends on the latter. The Irish restauranter
> > > http://www.tadgspub.com/
> > > was a chef in Ireland,
> > >and his first job in Japan was also as a chef.
> >
> > I know, that's the case for certain professions that the Japanese agree
to
> > import. There are many French cooks too. But if your specialty is not
> > concerned, that takes many years to restart another career and get the
> > required experience.
> > At mc-kaiwa, or outside, I've met over 5000 persons that were
> > lawyer/chemist/nurse/maths teacher/travel agent/accountant/etc and had
no
> > perspective of doing their job in Japan, even in a remote future. The
> > linguistic aspect is one reason, but not the major one as language can
be
> > learnt. Many jobs are just not open to foreigners, not even to Japanese
> > older than 22, no matter the skills
>
> Apart from jobs in the public sector, I can't think of any jobs that
> *officially* at least are "not open to foreigners". There are massive
> language barriers, there are prohibitively extensive transaction costs,
> but few actual restrictions. For a foreigner to become a travel agent
> (for instance) in Japan is not that difficult. 4 years ago I was
> actually thinking of becoming one. It would have taken about 2 years
> for me, more if I didn't have the language bits under my belt. I'm sure
> that for a nurse etc there would be higher transaction costs in terms
> of time etc, but a foreign national who took and passed the exams could
> certainly work as a nurse (in the private sector at least).
>
> > Certainly a number of posters here (most ?) have managed to avoid or get
> > away from the eikaiwa world, but that's not representative. The others
(4500
> > of the 5000) have packed their things and went back, most didn't last 2
> > years.
>
> Doesn't surprise me at all. According to Immigration 81% of foreigners
> from OECD countries who complete alien registration leave Japan
> permanently within 36 months of their "landing". Of the remaining 19%,
> from what I can tell from the MOJ's Jinryuu magazine more than half of
> the rest can't hack it and leave before 5 years is up, though some
> hippies flee to Okinawa and distort the statistics.
>
> > > Doesn't mean they are all ex-eikaiwa drones.
> >
> > Do you have the stats for Chubu ? In Kansai, the KTO publish them from
time
> > to time, and roughly 80% of *Westerners* are registered as working in
> > eduction/eikaiwa biz. Among the 20%, many have done it too, some still
do
> > it.
> >
> > I was surprised, I naively believed there were 20% of corporate expat/IT
> > specialists, 30% of people on spouse visa doing all sorts of job, and
only
> > 50% of *teachers*. I have thought about it again, but well, in
conclusion,
> > the official figure makes sense.
>
> I don't have stats for Chubu, and so I don't know where KTO would get
> theirs. Nagoya immigration provides me with some info, but it is
> usually national. The 20/30/50 split is naive though - of the 416,262
> people to enter Japan last December for instance, there were visas
> issued for 88 professors, 9 journalists, 34 business
> managers/investors, 1 doctor, 29 researchers, 5 "kyouiku", 219
> engineers, 161 specialists in humanities, and 199 corporate drones.
> Spouses of Japanese national visa entrants were only 2086, and there
> were 92 spouses of foreign residents. Take out the 389,279 tourists/
> biztrippers/ culture vultures/ families visitors and prostitutes and
> there aren't many legal entrants left other than Brazilians etc, and
> students.
>
> > > If someone is employed as an instructor, and they
> > > then earn some cash from writing articles etc, then they are in breach
> > > of their category unless they do a change of status to specialist in
> > > humanities
> >
> > That shouldn't be a big change.
> > intsuctor visa =specialist in humanities/international services
> > The *professor visas* are for uni/monbusho teachers, they no longer have
the
> > right to publish articles ?
>
> If a physicist on a kyoujyu visa publishes about physics - no prob. If
> a physicist on a kyoujyu visa writes unpaid articles about travel - no
> prob. If a physicist on a kyoujyu visa writes "non-physics" articles
> and gets remunerated for them - time to change visa status.
>
> > What I've heard, and if that became the case I'd probably quit Japan
> > imediatly, is about switching to the Korean system. I've been stubborn
till
> > now, but that would probably be my limit.
> > You'd be able to work only for the company that sponsored you, and you'd
> > have to ask another visa each time you change of company,you wouldn't be
> > supposed to work independently. I guess that's not the kind of laws
Japan
> > actually needs, but if they disagree...
>
> I haven't heard of any changes similar to the above at all. In
> discussion or otherwise. I helped someone obtain a work visa through
> self sponsorship (from shugaku to jinbunchishikikokusaigyoumu) quite
> recently and it turned out to be much easier than expected - certainly
> a lot easy than Ireland or Austria. I doubt that much will change.
>
> > > (which still lets them teach and keep their prior
> > > contract/employment). And so on and so forth. I don't have any
problems
> > > though with what Immigration is trying to do on that front.
> >
> > I could have a problem. Immigration doesn't merely ask you to fill a
> > different form, they ask you to fit different conditions.
>
> Yes - but that is why there are different forms. Chicken & egg thing
> yunno.
>
> > I don't need staff, and if I did, that'd be foreigners, at the limit one
> > part-time Japanese. I'd to pay 2 Japanese staff doing nothing (even if
they
> > swear they never show up at work, I'm sure they'd still find a way to
make
> > me lose my time into the bargain) just to get a manager visa.
> >
> > Kuri
>
> There is no point in changing to the manager/investor visa if you don't
> need to, even if you fit the conditions. When I started my first
> company (now a KK) I didn't need to change visa (the spec in humanities
> visa from when I was a translator). When I went to extend it they
> suggested I change to manager/investor, so I applied for it and was
> rejected on the grounds that it wasn't necessary to change. I didn't
> change to the manager/investor visa until 2 periods of stay ago when
> they pointed out that they had fucked up.
>