"Eric Takabayashi" <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message


> Then people you know sure are different from those in Iraq interviewed by
the
> Pentagon's own newspaper

You wouldn't want me to change my opinion after hearing a quote from the
Pentagon's propaganda rag ? Be coherent.

> > Those that signed "without knowing"  and took seriously the crap
> > communication on the webpage you indicated are dumbies.
>
> What did you say about not generalizing?

That's not a generalization but a definition. I say the same for the people
that signed for JET or whatever without checking information and come later
to cry : "I didn't know".

> Then what's all the crap about you being so qualified? Irrelevant.

I've told you I was qualified to be a soldier ?
Anyway I have never considered joining the army, because of my personal
belief : armies are institutions that do wars (which are archaic) , and
"freeze" an established order (that I'd like to see evolve.).

>such as living
> comfortably doing other work,

That seems to be your priority.
I could have made choices to live much more comfortably (materially,
professionnally,
socially, sentimentally, etc), with more money and more people wipping the
seat before I put my ass on it. I'd have needed a greater resistance to
boredom and unsincere situations.

>unlike those who see the military as a great
> opportunity, who are in the Middle East now.

If they believe it's the good way to make the world progress, or if they are
just ambitious and it's the price to pay to make a career, they are right to
go there. I respect people that make choice different than mine. What I
don't like are those that make a choice and complain about it.

> The Japanese news has quite capably demonstrated the way the US government
> produced propaganda

Oh what a discovery ! Japanese TV are so smart. You had not noticed yourself
?

Same thing can be said about Japanese, French or Spanish
media/government/dominant social class. You say that in English "la pensee
unique", unique thinking ? You'd listen to the media for a while, they
repeat the same thing so many times that at the end, you'd finished to be
convinced (if you were not able to switch off the TV and count how many
times Bassorah has been conquered that week and how the whale meat could be
safe with only  x% of polluant  while on another day foreign beed was
dangerous with half of that....).
That's the same for most countries, but I have not followed the news of
everywhere. Certain places are much much much worse as the politic situation
and linguistic isolation make it difficult for people to diversify sources
of informations. Americans are free to read what they want and have access
to English speaking media from all over the world. What prevents any
American to follow  the BBC or Canadian news for instance ?

> And did you hear the Iraqi side, or hear of the Iraqi casualties,
.....
>.The Pentagon has not even
> released an Iraqi casualty figure, military or civilian.

I know -from American media- that Iraq is occupied now and the journalists,
media, or any person setting the foot in Iraq ( be them American, Iraqi,
others) have to follow instructions of US army, that limits where/when they
can go, what they can learn and what they can tell to the outside
world....Historians will tell us what were are missing, maybe.

>the way
> Middle Eastern, Eastern or European and Japanese covered them?

None of these media shows or says more than the American ones. They vary the
comments and quantity of negative/positive images/information , but they
show of both, even if it's to say it's the other side's propaganda. I have
seen most images from Middle Eastern media on US TV websites.

> the war had maybe over 80% support,
>while the
> rest of the world including the British, great allies whose government
stood
>ith the Americans, openly opposed it.
> How do you account for this?

No, I don't think Bush and his communicators are doing an intelligent
propaganda.
Americans know as much as I, but many made their own opinion differently
from mine. That's not possible ?

> It was necessary for the US NOT to accept the existence of Gulf War
Syndrome.

For the US or for the career of a few politicians and high-level militaries
?

> > or ask  their country to spend more money on education, health
insurance, and
> > less on military, etc.
>
> Voters have demonstrated their ignorance
....
>Would you perhaps like to make a generalization  about the intelligence of
the American
>public?

No thanks, you're doing it yourself.

>. For some reason, military
> action  is
> a great way to distract Americans from domestic problems.
....
> Preparing for war is a great and easy way to increase the military
strength and
> budget.

etc, you realise the same things could have been said  about Saddam
Hussein's regime a few years ago, or Hitler's Germany.

> You can witness on this very group how little support I get for proposing
....

Each time you "propose" something, a few line later you explain you don't
accept the consequence or price to pay for it.

> before asking why "I" am not capable of doing
> something on the national level such as educating the American public,
changing
> Bush's mind or changing military recruitment tactics.

Yeah, why not "you" ?

> > > What disgusting recruitment methods? Joining the military for
education,
> > > employment, and self improvement are perfectly acceptable.

That's acceptable or you want to change it ? If people are really educated
and "self-improved" by the army, they won't be taught to doubt or contest
the "official speeches".

CC