"Eric Takabayashi" <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
news:3FB3DD88.65B71F15@yahoo.co.jp...
> Bryce wrote:
>
> > "Eric Takabayashi" <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> > news:3FB381F8.E9D823A1@yahoo.co.jp...
> > > cc wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Eric Takabayashi" <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > > Bryce wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Eric is missing the point that they made their own decisions.
> > > > >
> > > > > You're missing the point they aren't stupid, and there are
> > > > > people who don't have as many choices in life as you, to live in
> > > > > relative comfort and safety.
> > > >
> > > > What do you know about what "choices in life" all those people
> > (militaries,
> > > > Bryce, anyone you say that to) have/had ?
> > >
> > > That we don't have the same choices available to us. Some people can
live
> > in
> > > relative comfort and safely easily. Others can't, and likely never
will.
> >
> > Eric is all-knowing.
>
> No, the simple fact that other people's choices are limited.

Sure, why not.


>
> > But it still doesn't explain why they joined the army
> > rather than working at a McDonald's.
>
> Military's benefits are better. You claim the military gets "free
everything",
> yet does not work when not fighting.

Great. They wanted the added benefits. Now they are fighting a war. It was
in their contract.

>
> > McDonald's hires ANYONE.
>
> Please explain unemployment and poverty, with so many want ads including
> McDonald's, particularly among minorities.

McDonald's hires anyone. So the one's they don't hire go to the military?
Okay.
>
> > And we KNOW they had this choice. So they chose to join the army
instead.
> > Well, if this isn't true,
>
> People who would like to make a living and raise a family, or would like
to pay
> for college, might strangely not choose to work at McDonald's.
>

Again! They made the choice.

> > and they could in fact, NOT, get a job at McDonald's.. well then this
just
> > shows that the military takes people that even McDonald's won't take.
>
> It is you who claim soldiers can do NOTHING better in real life.

Well, if they could do something better, why didn't they? Obviously they
made the choice.

>
> > IT WAS THERE CHOICE TO JOIN!!!!   They had many other choices in life
> > besides joining the military. So when you say that was there only
choice..
> > it's total bullshit.
>
> I didn't say it was the only choice. I said many people without the
choices we
> have, need to consider what the military has to offer, such as your "free
> everything", attractive. For example, what did you do to pay for college
or
> technical training, and why is the same thing available to everyone?

I took out college loans to pay for college. They pretty much give them to
anyone. They could have gone that route too rather than joining the army and
complaining that they have to fight a war.

>
> > Please prove to us that that was their only choice. Go take a survey or
> > something.
>
> Here are some samples for a search of "reasons for joining military":
>
> A 1991 survey:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/uwec
>
> Please look at why, page 2, enlistees gave for joining. I don't know what
> "other" is, but the biggest reasons are practical: training, education,
pay.
> There was apparently more than one response available, but that easily
accounts
> for well over half. Next came duty and travel.
>
> Just 0.9% did it for "national defense" despite it being at the time of
the
> first Gulf War.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/uwmm
>
> One aspect of military service is particularly appealing.
>
> "The college fund," said Tery Krisher, a school counselor at Reynolds for
14
> years. "Kids are willing to put in the commitment to get their college
paid
> for."
>
> The current GI Bill offers recruits in all branches an impressive college
fund
> - $26,500 for two years' service and up to $50,000 for four years'
service.
>
> [snip]
>
> "A lot of it is people looking for technical jobs, and then we get a lot
of
> people who won't be able to afford a college education any other way,"
said
> Petty Officer Second Class Will Baxter, a Navy Recruiter.
>
> [snip]
>
> That's right: no other way for college, says the recruiter.
>
> Did you save yourself $50,000 for school after four years work without
college,
> Bryce?
>
> Some reasons for joining, even after conflict began in Iraq:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/uwl5
>
> > Until then... stop the complaining.
>
> It is you who are complaining. I feel sorry for people at war including
those
> who chose to be there.
>
>
>

I feel sorry for no one any any industry. I don't care why they "choose" to
join the military. The fact is that they DID. Everyone has choices. Don't
smoke crack and the grades get better? Don't hang out with losers? There are
many, many facets of this that could be explored in some other type of
newsgroup. Fact is though, they are complaining that they are in a war. They
joined the military. You put two and two together.