in article ccdps0$s7r$1@bgsv5647.tk.mesh.ad.jp, cc at
cpasuneadresse@spam.com wrote on 7/6/04 6:01 PM:

> 
> "Ernest Schaal" <eschaal@max.hi-ho.ne.jp> wrote in message
> 
>> I think you are missing my point. If she comes here and stays, she will be an
>> immigrant. Her visa might be different than some other immigrants, but she
>> still is an immigrant, and the nation has full control of deciding those
>> matters.
> 
> She is not an immigrant : she is a child. Children are not citizens, they have
> no rights except to be taken care of well. Their guardians keep all their
> other rights for them. Children have to obey to their guardians and live with
> them. The affair is between Japan and the child's guardians.

Sorry, but you are wrong, very wrong. Children can be citizens, or they can
be non-citizens. The girl in question is a non-citizen.

Your comment implies that the citizenship is determined by the guardian.
That is not the case. It is very possible for a child to be a citizen, and
the guardian to be a non-citizen. For instance, a child born in the US is an
American citizen, thus a non-citizen woman giving birth in the US would
result in such a case.
 
> One of her guardian is a  Japanese adult national (=a Japanese citizen).
> Your argument falls completely here.

Again, you confuse the child/guardian relationship and the issue of
citizenship or resident status.
 
>> As to what the citizen or legal foreign resident has the "right" to expect,
> 
> It's Japan duty to make it citizens and residents take care of their
> children.

The law according to CC? I am sure the Japanese government is shaking in its
boots.


>> Do I think it is my business, or your business, or Raj's business to dictate
>> to the Japanese Government what they should do? No. I do not.
> 
> I think it's my business, more than that of the Japanese citizens. Because
> that could be my child that gets the problem some day, not theirs.

You might have a concern in this issue, but the Japanese does not have to
bow to your concerns anymore than you have to bow to any of my concerns.

>> Basically, unless you are Japanese citizen, you have ZERO right to demand
>> anything.
> 
> If I have no right, I take the left.
> You are mixing up 2 things : the right to vote (we've none, it's a fact) and
> the right to say what we think and ask what we think necessary (that we
> have, everybody).

You can say it, but the Japanese government can ignore it at will.

> And well, it's better not to be a Japanese citizen. Like most foreigners, if
> I adopt kids, they'll be given a status to live in my country and even a
> nationality after a little paperwork. If I were a Japanese citizen,  my
> adopted kids would not even be sure to get a tourist visa to Japan.

I don't know what nationality you are, but the above does not apply to the
US, and to the best of my knowledge it would not apply to Japan either.