In article <365fcc52.0306090939.481b755@posting.google.com>, 
kaz@ivebeenframed.com says...
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>"Kay" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message news:Qk2Fa.18$6W4.31935@news.
>uswest.net...
>> In article <365fcc52.0306082248.ac7b784@posting.google.com>, kaz@ivebe
>enframed.com says...
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>> Supertech, the Korean history books called them
>> "Wae" in the past in derogatory way.  That does
>> not mean Koreans were superior to the Japanese
>> but Koreans were childish to call others with
>> derogatory names.  Koreans should be ashamed
>> of their behavior, not proud of it!
>> 
>> >> Skilled engineers were low class people in Chosun dynasty. 
>> 
>> And you are proud of it?  Think what Korea would be
>> today if the Koreans treated skilled engineers in
>> high regard.  You are proud of your ancestors'
>> shameful behavior!
>> 
>> >Hey Supertech, thank you. You explained all those Korean's despising
>> >attitudes against the Japanese. And that is EXACTLY why I am blaming
>> >the Koreans considering and treating us as "Midget Barbarians of Wae"
>> >as Ethnocentric Self-Conscious Racists. And that's why I'm blaming
>> >Korean education that teaches every Korean kid with such ultra Korean
>> >supremacist and racialist's history book to make every Korean kid to
>> >despise and look down on the Japanese. The Koreans are merely a Nazi
>> >of East Asia.
>> 
>> kaz, while I cannot condone Koreans' attitude against
>> Japanese, you and Japanese are equally guilty of the same.
>> For how long have Japanese despised Koreans?  For ages,
>> Japanese called the Koreans "senjin" in derogative way.
>
>You accuse me but it's wrong. I had not been despising them until I
>found out the fact that Koreans extremely despise us a few month ago.

Everything has to be looked upon from historical
perspective.  Historically, Japanese has been
bothering the southern border incessantly. In
Hideyoshi's case, he ransacked the entire nation for
6+ years.  From 1910 to 1945, Japan did some very
evil thing to Korea.  I hope you are not in denial
of this historical fact.  My family is a victim of
that ordeal.  My grandfater died because of imprisonment;
My mother lost my eldest brother because she also was
imprisoned right after he was born.  What was her sin?
She taught some Korean songs and Korean history.
Therefore, it is natural that many Koreans feel ill of Japan.  
After all, Koreans are no saint, and as you point out, far from it.

Almost 60 years have passed since the last atrocity.
It's about time Koreans and Japanese put those past
behind and work toward building the future.  I have
and I have more reasons to hate Japan than most Koreans.  
I certainly have more reasons than Japanese like yourself
hating Koreans because you met a few Koreans like supertech.
That is as shallow as one can be.

I have no ill feelings toward the Japanese unless I run into one
who still think Koreans are inferior to them only because
they are Koreans.  But then I cannot condone white
Americans doing the same to the blacks and Israelis
doing it to the palestanians.

Yet, many Koreans are still weary of Japan, which they
have right to.  They are downright hostile toward
the Japanese, which, in my opinion, is downright 
childish.  The situation would improve if Japan
recognizes their "sin" in the past and promote harmony
with Korea.  Yet, only recently, they publicly recognized
this.  When the emperor mentioned his Korean heritage,
there were many Japanese who were quite angry about it.
Why?  Why is it shameful of truth?  These things
reinforce Koreans' hatred of Japanese.

Yet, you refuse to understand the background and try
to deal with only the present.  There is no present
without the past.  While lingering in the past is not
good, so is ignoring it.  The fact is that this is what makes 
many Japanese to still look upon
Koreans as something less than human.  This is a fact.
I have a sister-in-law who is married to a Japanese.  
What bothers her is just about every time they go into a 
"fight," he brings up this issue that Koreans are inferior 
to Japanese. It drives her crazy and the fight gets worse.  
The fact is she is a lot smarter than he.
I don't think this is an isolated incident.

>As a matter of fact, I didn't know the term "senjin" until recently.

That's what I mean.  You don't even know the past and
you don't understand the root of Korean hatred of Japanese.
Yet, you have the audacity to criticize Koreans.

>descendants. Those Kobe folks despise us because we were friendly to
>Korea. So I have no obligation for being blamed about calling Koreans
>as "senjin".

I was not blaming you.  I was talking about generic
Japanese.  As long as Japanese has this attitude,
Korean hatred of Japanese will remain.  You cannot
ask Korean behave saintly when Japanese behave like boors.

>Actually, I think those terms are only used in Kobe and Tokyo. 
>That is a completely unfamiliar word to me at all.
>
>> Japanese history books are full of spinning as far as
>> her relationship with Korea is.  
>
>Blame it to Kobe or Tokyo, not me.

You are also to be blamed because you refuse to
understand the historical background behind all this hatred.

>> I visited Osaka Castle a few years ago.  The exhibit 
>> shows clearly how they were proud of their ransacking
>> Korean Peninsula during the 6-year war some 400 years
>> ago. 
>
>But Hideyoshi had already ruined by Tokugawa soon after that. And
>please don't say like Osakans are proud of Hideyoshi because no Osakan
>cares about that kind of things today. Osakans only care about money.

I am not talking about what Hideyoshi did or Tokugawa undid.
I am talking about what's exhibited in the castle.
Often, those things reflect the citizens' wishes.
Either that, people form their opinions based on
what they read and see.  As long as Japanese see the
painted picture of the history, they will continuously
think they are at no fault.  Therefore, when a Korea
mentions such atrocity, they will automatically 
deny it just as you are doing.  History should be
taught truthfully, not from a Japanese point of view
or Korean point of view.

>> During the occupation of Korea, they tried their best
>> to destroy:
>>    Korean history - they disallowed teaching Korean history
>>    Korean language - they disallowed Koreans speaking Korean
>>    Names - they forced change names in Japanese style.
>> and every which way.  My grandfather died in prison for
>> teaching Korean history, language, and songs to Korean
>> children.
>> 
>> Only recently the emperor acknowledged his ancestry to Korea,
>
>But don't blame him. The emperors after the Meiji era were just some
>doll of imperial Tokyo regime that Satsuma and Choshu had built. They
>are actually pathetic. They weren't allowed to speak about their
>ancestries by the imperial Tokyo regime.

I did not blame him.  I lauds him for what he did.
I blame the Japanese rightwing who condemn the 
emperor for it, though.

>> and the negative reaction by the Japanese like yourself
>> was disgraceful.
>
>Because I don't like Koreans who are extremely offensive to us, are
>extremely despising us. What's wrong with it? Why can't I have any
>right to dislike them while Koreans are hating me and us like hell  ?

Read what I said.  If the emperor said he had Korean
lineage and that is a fact, what purpose does it serve
to deny that? Just because you dislike some Koreans,
you deny the history?  Is it childish or reactionary?
Take your pick.  You have every right to dislike 
anybody but you have no right to deny historical fact.
If you deny it, you only show your immature bias.

>> While I am not proud of supertech's ranting, you
>> are no different from him in essence.  It's like
>> a kettle calling a pot black.

I still stand by what I said above until you prove me otherwise.
 
>> >Nevertheless, we ain't any "Midget Barbarian" and the Koreans have no
>> >right to treat us like slaves.
>> 
>> No Koreans treat Japanese slaves.  "Midget Barbarian"
>
>It's not true. Many ethnic Koreans in Kansai are assholes treating the
>Japanese as slaves. They insist that they are "sangokujin" and they
>are the winners of the war, then treat us like slaves violently.

I still stand by what I said.  Koreans do not treat 
Japanese like slaves.  Koreans do not have such power,
especially in Japan.  There may be a few Koreans who
might attempt but I assure you there are many more
Japanese who treat Koreans in Japan like slaves.
As a matter of fact, many Koreans in Japan are there
because the Japanese government drafted them out of
Korea to use them for slave labor.  Again, learn
history, not from slanted Japanese history books.

>> is a derogatory word used by the likes of supertech.
>> Nothing to get excited about.
>
>Offensive Korans all look like Kim Jong Il to me, though.

There are offensive Koreans and there are good Koreans.
There are offensive Japanese and there are good Japanese
but you have not convinced me you belong to the latter
group.  Try me; I am open-minded.