"Declan Murphy" <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Simon wrote:
>> "Declan Murphy" <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>>Simon wrote:
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>>>>"Declan Murphy" <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>>Simon wrote:
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>>>>>>"Declan Murphy" <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
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>>>>>>>Another martyr for old Ireland
>>>>>>>Another murder for the crown
>>>>>>>Whose brutal laws may kill the Irish
>>>>>>>But can't keep their spirits down
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can't stop the bastards putting bombs in bins and killing children, a 
>>>>>>proud heritage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which song are those lyrics from?
>>>>
>>>>Irish terrorists like to sing about being victimised, they don't sing 
>>>>about their innocent victims.
>>>
>>>Yes. It has always bugged me that instead of singing about an event that 
>>>occurred (in this instance) about 85 years ago, Irish terrorists (on both 
>>>sides) don't instead follow the shining example of their perceived 
>>>adversaries and issue wordy press releases many years after the event. 
>>>"It is with very deep regret that the Ministry of Defence confirms that 
>>>the operation resulted in substantial collateral damage... etc" It would 
>>>be so much more civilised.
>>>
>>>>Sorry to be a killjoy but it pisses me off when people quote bullshit 
>>>>from songs by terrorist child murderers
>>>
>>>Kevin Barry was a teenager when the British Army executed him. To the 
>>>best of my knowledge he didn't kill any children. Given the behaviour of 
>>>certain recent governments, this appears to have been a bad thing.
>>
>> He called himself a soldier, he was involved in the killing of 6 British 
>> soldiers so he got what he deserved. Jonathan Ball, 3 years old, Tim 
>> Parry, 12, did they get what they deserved?
>
> Barry was a soldier, involved in an ambush on enemy combatants. Instead of 
> becoming a prisoner of war and returning to his medical studies after the 
> war, he was executed. Not the dumbest thing done during the Anglo-Irish 
> war, but certainly fucking close, and effectively guaranteeing the 
> eventual end of British rule in Dublin. In the light of the tragedies that 
> followed, there's a whole lot of pointless "what ifs?" Had commonsense 
> prevailed and a political problem been dealt with at the time through 
> pragmatic politics instead of repression and war, he probably would have 
> become a doctor, the British Army wouldn't have fired machine guns at 
> football crowds in Dublin, the Black and Tans wouldn't have burnt Cork and 
> countless other localities, the civil war wouldn't have taken place, 
> British paratroopers wouldn't have shot 27 civil rights demonstrators in 
> Derry, and bombs would not have been placed in either Northern Ireland or 
> England, including the disgraceful "collateral damage" in Warrington.

I'll agree with some of what you say but to call the victims of the 
Warrington bomb collateral damage is ridicules, innocent victims were the 
intended target.
Innocent people have been killed on both sides but the difference is that 
the Irish terrorists set out to kill innocent people.
Perhaps if Martin McGuinness hadn't fired at the British troupes those 27 
people would still be alive.
>
> Constant tit-for-tat insanity.
>
> Despite 400 days of evidence from 900+ witnesses, it is still unclear 
> *which* paratroopers shot the 27 civilians. Surely you aren't suggesting 
> the whole regiment be charged? The men who committed the atrocities at 
> Warrington have never been caught, nor at Enniskillen, though clearly it 
> was authorised by Martin McGuinness since he was the CO of that area's IRA 
> command. Surely you aren't suggesting that he be charged? McGuinness 
> became the Education Minister, and the current peace process the best 
> thing to happen since Michael Collins and sliced bread.
>
> Let it go. Write a song about it and have a drink.
>
>
> -- 
> Non gratum anus rodentum
>