> 
> You see, there are people who it makes no sense to discuss with,
> and I think that "mtfester" is one of them. I abandoned the thread as
> soon as I read his first comments.
> 


Mike Fester's arguments have gotten more bigoted as he went on, but i
found them to be remarkably objective compared to the people he was
arguing with.


Hitler was basically voted in; one doesn't abolish a democracy and
establish an army and economy and that was ridiculously efficient even
by german standards unless one is extremely popular.