In fj.life.in-japan C.Brady <ch.brady@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 00:55:31 +0000 (UTC), mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net
> wrote:

>>>>You do not appear to understand that it was the (eg) Poles, Czechs,
>>>>Jews, gypsies, Russians (etc) who were victims.
>>
>>> Au contraire - I'm well aware of the atrocities and hence suffering
>>> brought on by Nazism. 
>>          
>>
>>Really? Odd that this is the first time you've mentioned it. However,
>>you misspelled "Germans".

> Sine Nazism is generally associated with Germany, e.g. WWII; I assumed

And Germans, including non-Nazis, committed acts of violence, etc, which
make their actions despised by all except a few feeble sorts believing
the Germans to be victims. 

BTW, ever dig up that quote where I claimed the Germans never suffered?

> taking it upon myself to overestimate your conceptualization skills. 

Take heart; none will ever overestimate yours.

>>As it happens, not all members of the Wehrmacht were nazis. Not all who
>>called for expulsion (or worse) of the Jews were nazis.

> I never claimed they were. 

Odd, then, that you claim the "nazis" brought on the suffering, not the
Germans.

> points which I never contested.  

You contested it above.

>>"If one were to except the above definition, then one may reasonable
>>deduce that there were per se German victims of the war."

> That is my quote minus the dictionary definition.
> Allow me to refresh your memory:
> Merriam-Webster
> Entry Word: victim
> Function: noun
> Text: 1 a living being sacrificed (as in a religious rite) <offered up
> human victims to appease their bloodthirsty gods> 
> Synonyms offering, sacrifice
> 2 one subjected to oppression, loss, or suffering <victims of social
> injustice> 

> I stand by my initial assertion; 

Right; that the Germans were the victims in WWII.

Indeed, that was a statement I refuted, you took exception to, and
produced the above "dictionary" definition. Now, you are trying to
modify both my statement, and yours, finding yourself inadequate to the
task of supporting your statement.

Now, produce a quote where I said the Germans didn't suffered.

Mike