Eric Takabayashi <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote:
> mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:

>> >> There can be plea bargains,
>>
>> > You mean deciding beforehand on a possibly lesser charge,
>>
>> I believe that's part of the process.

> But it's still not a full length trial, to "know" for sure or as much as they
> can.

Uh, where is it written that a trial is required? Certainly, not all 
criminals or victims desire it.

>> > instead of the trial process to
>> > "prove" what actually happened, and whether or not it constitutes a crime?
>>
>> Sorry, but that's nonsense. In a plea bargain, there's already admission
>> of a crime,

> Perhaps to only what the prosecution believes they can make stick, not what
> actually happened.

And very often, they don't know what happened. They DELIBERATELY make
the most severe charge they can justify in hope of getting a plea
bargain to a lesser charge.

> Don't be coy.

I have many faults, but that's not one of them.

>> and very often the victim (whom you suddenly don't care
>> about) is part of the decision making process.

> Also limiting themselves to what they believe the prosecution can make stick,

Sorry, but you're wrong.

You are not entitled to speak for all victims, however much you pretend 
otherwise.

> Why does my standing up for trials suddenly make you feel I do not care for
> victims (crime victims or those falsely accused)?

It's your disdain for things like plea bargains (not to mention, your
ignorance of the processes involved.)

Mike