"Ernest Schaal" <eschaal@max.hi-ho.ne.jp> wrote in message 
news:BDE9705B.2EA7E%eschaal@max.hi-ho.ne.jp...
> in article W0Gwd.204$mj4.68@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net, Simon at
> shepshep1@excite.com wrote on 12/18/04 4:00 AM:
>
>>
>> "Declan Murphy" <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:41C291CA.8060900@hotmail.com...
>>> Simon wrote:
>>>> "Declan Murphy" <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:41C110DE.3060901@hotmail.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Simon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Declan Murphy" <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:41C02D36.200@hotmail.com...
>>>
>>>>>>> Another martyr for old Ireland
>>>>>>> Another murder for the crown
>>>>>>> Whose brutal laws may kill the Irish
>>>>>>> But can't keep their spirits down
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't stop the bastards putting bombs in bins and killing children, a
>>>>>> proud heritage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which song are those lyrics from?
>>>>
>>>> Irish terrorists like to sing about being victimised, they don't sing
>>>> about their innocent victims.
>>>
>>> Yes. It has always bugged me that instead of singing about an event that
>>> occurred (in this instance) about 85 years ago, Irish terrorists (on 
>>> both
>>> sides) don't instead follow the shining example of their perceived
>>> adversaries and issue wordy press releases many years after the event. 
>>> "It
>>> is with very deep regret that the Ministry of Defence confirms that the
>>> operation resulted in substantial collateral damage... etc" It would be 
>>> so
>>> much more civilised.
>>>
>>>> Sorry to be a killjoy but it pisses me off when people quote bullshit
>>>> from songs by terrorist child murderers
>>>
>>> Kevin Barry was a teenager when the British Army executed him. To the 
>>> best
>>> of my knowledge he didn't kill any children. Given the behaviour of
>>> certain recent governments, this appears to have been a bad thing.
>>
>> He called himself a soldier, he was involved in the killing of 6 British
>> soldiers so he got what he deserved. Jonathan Ball, 3 years old, Tim 
>> Parry,
>> 12, did they get what they deserved?
>
> The story of Ireland is not a pretty one, sort of like the story of the
> Middle East. Both sides have done a lot of things that were morally wrong,
> and both sides killed plenty of innocent children. If there is to be peace
> in Ireland, both sides are going to have to forgive the other, instead of
> enjoying their martyrdom.

That's not going to happen.