mtfester@netMAPSONscape.net wrote:

> >> BTW, those men were war criminals.
>
> > Who is "those men"?
>
> Are you not following the thread, Mr Takabayashi? Do you not see the
> names at the top?

Lt. Calley is one man, the ONLY man to be court martialed AND found guilty. Who are the other "war
criminals" whose names appeared in previous posts? Are the men you identify as "war criminals" all the
men who were court martialed, all the men who were investigated, or all the men who took part? And what
of any superior officers?

> > Check the caves.
>
> Any ones in particular, or is this another attempt to be dense?

Check caves suspected of containing soldiers and/or civilians.

> >> >> Then, of course, you could read the accounts of the battle, where the
> >> >> IJA deliberately moved into caves where the civilians hid, and fired at
> >> >> US troops from among the civilians.
>
> > Heard of soldiers hiding among civilians in the same cave.
>
> So, you have a magic way for the US to seperate out the former from the
> latter, yes?
>
> Please tell us, do.

Check who is inside the caves before attacking. No magic at all. Perhaps people hiding from Japanese or
Germans would have appreciated the same courtesy.

> >> >> Tell us, please, how GI Joe is supposed to be able to quickly sort out
> >> >> goats from sheep in that situation.
>
> >> Ah, then all you have to do is get those pesky IJA guys to stop shooting
> >> so they can take their time, right?
>
> > Withdraw.
>
> Ah, so you would have the Japanese continue to murder Japanese, Chinese,
> Indochinese, Burmese, Philippinos, etc.?

No, withdraw from the dangerous caves until they understood the situation better. This particular
statement does not refer to retreating from Asia and the Pacific.

> > However, that was not the question. If it is acceptable to pour flaming gasoline into caves where
> > civilians (AND soldiers who are resisting, let's take it that far) are taking shelter, is it also
> > acceptable for Japanese and Germans to do the same to civilians in other nations?
>
> Uh, they did similar things, and such was not considered a crime. Again,
> you have been told this. Again, you are not expected to understand.

No, I will not bother understand killing of civilians when more can be done to prevent it.

You once asked me how I would conduct a war.

Actually, if I could decide, we wouldn't have any at all.

> It becomes a crime when areas no longer under conflict are subjected to
> the behaviour you mention above.
>
> >> Oddly, you are wrong again. Live with the shock.
> >>
> >> When I lived there, a movie about the firebombing opened, the first such
> >> movie. Older people were seen exitting the theatre with tears streaming
> >> down their eyes saying "someone finally remembered us".
>
> > That is precisely what I was referring to. Perhaps I got this from your post. Yes, because they had
> > been forgotten.
>
> You claimed THEY themselves had forgotten.
>
> They did not.

Why in hell would I claim that ANY Japanese forgot their OWN experience or suffering in WWII?

> > I said bombing an enemy city is a crime?
>
> And you were wrong.

Bombing an enemy city is not a crime. I do not even complain about bombing Tokyo or Hiroshima in
themselves. The extent of the damage and casualty are the issues. Note for example, I specify bombing
"civilian areas" of Gifu in my post to Ernest.

> >> > Don't just tell me I am ignorant.
> >>
> >> You are.
>
> > I know. And I am one who is willing to admit it.
>
> After only 7-8 repititions.

No I have done it for years.

> >> Again, SLOWLY, an enemy city is a military target.
>
> > Was the Continental US a military target
>
> Yes, and was hit by the Japanese in a coupla ineffectual attacks by the
> Japanese involving balloons and submarines.
>
> Seriously, you are not that ignorant, are you?

I know they were.

Your reaction to Americans being killed?

> > Simple yes or no, please.
>
> Again, I have no idea why you are horribly confused by all this.

I'd like to know if you support killing Americans while at war, the same way you support killing of
Japanese or Okinawans.

> >> Yep; let 'em starve.
>
> > That would have been the result nationwide, had the wait been too long.
>
> That's what was happening at the time.

Yes, I have two copies of _Embracing Defeat_, though I only read the hardcover. I mean most or all of
them dead.

> > As excellent as what was being done to Iraq, or what is being done to North Korea?
>
> Sorry, what was the US doing to Iraq or North Korea in 1945? My history
> books missed that...

Were the modern sanctions on Iraq, or cutting aid to North Korea excellent ideas?

> >> > Screw it, they're mostly back in their own country, and go home.
> >>
> >> Right. What do you care about the Japanese murdering Chinese and Indochinese,
> >> right?
>
> > It's an atrocity.
>
> But apparently acceptable to you...

No, why? I simply said it was an alternative.

I do not consider the value of individual lives of civilians of victimized nations of WWII different
from those of Japanese civilians or Americans whom I do not know.

Should I?

Do you?

> >> Seriously, have you read ANYTHING about the Japanese actions?
>
> > Yes. My own negative feelings regarding Japan and Japanese stem almost entirely from their history,
> > and what little of it I know.
>
> Oddly, my negative feelings about them stem from their current actions.

Only some of mine do. As not even an apology or compensation to all former enemies' or victims'
satisfaction will ever undo what was done, it is the past which is important regarding WWII, not current
attitudes, actions or lack of action.

> My negative feelings about Imperial Japan circa 1925-1945 stem from the
> actions of Imperial Japan circa 1925-1945. Unlike you, it seems, I do
> not hold modern Japan accountable for the actions of Imperial Japan.

> Now, quote me or withdraw the statement.

I withdraw it.

Let's start again.

Why were Japanese civilians bombed dead by the hundreds of thousands, and who is responsible?

> > Would it be ok to kill US civilians the way Japanese and Germans were killed?
>
> They were. Perhaps your history books fail you here as well.

I asked if it was ok with you, not what I already knew, simply if they were.

--
 "I'm on top of the world right now, because everyone's going to know that I can shove more than three
burgers in my mouth!"