necoandjeff wrote:
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
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>>necoandjeff wrote:
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>>>Kevin Gowen wrote:
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>>>>necoandjeff wrote:
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>>>>>Kevin Gowen wrote:
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>>>>>>necoandjeff wrote:
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>>>>>>>The thing I find most amusing about this whole religious right
>>>>>>>phenomenon is that, if Jesus were alive today he would be the
>>>>>>>biggest most flaming liberal in the country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Impossible. He believed in God and prayed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If you think liberals don't believe in God or pray, you're more out
>>>>>of touch than I thought.
>>>>
>>>>Hey, I am just going by your comments that describe those who
>>>>believe in God as idiots. At any rate, what is out of touch is
>>>>assigning a 20th century sociopolitical ideology to someone who
>>>>lived 2000 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>>You think that liberal versus conservative is a concept that wasn't
>>>developed until the 20th century? Wow.
>>
>>Why are you wowing? What is called "liberalism" today is certainly a
>>20th century concept. It would be unrecognizable to Locke, Smith, or
>>Hume. "Liberal" versus "conservative" is very much a 20th century
>>phenomenon. Note that this is different from "X political party" vs.
>>"Y political party".
>>
>>What do you think were the previous equivalents of the post-WWII
>>sociopolitical ideology that refers to itself as
>>"liberalism/progressivism", and who were some of the movement's
>>notable figures?
>>
>>I know that in the imagination of many, liberal vs. conservatism is a
>>sweeping and eternal battle throughout the course of human history,
>>but this simply isn't the case.
> 
> 
> Even confining it to this country you can go back to the 18th century battle
> of Jefferson vs. Hamilton.

I see. Hamilton wrote about classical liberalism in the Federalist 
Papers, the ideas of which were implemented by Jefferson. Yeah, that 
epic liberal vs. conservative battle!

Jefferson and Hamilton disagreed on points, but to frame them in the 
context of a 20th century "liberal vs. conservative" is ludicrous.

-- 
Kevin
"This is the best election night in history."--Democratic National 
Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, Nov. 2, 2004, just before 8 p.m. EST