Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!gcd.org!vda-gw!news.moat.net!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed3.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!4e5b5edd!not-for-mail From: BertS User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: japan.budo.judo Subject: Re: Bowing and shaking hands References: <4072A79A.BC615011@sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 87 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:25:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.245.100.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net 1081646749 66.245.100.77 (Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:25:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:25:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.budo.judo:264 Jeff, I appreciate your taking the time to answer me. I saw Ishikawa Sensei once in Havana. My teacher took some of us to see him do a kata demonstration. He was impressive but I am afraid I did not know enough to understand how good the guy was. When I came to Miami I was just too busy trying to make a living to even try to get back to Judo. I visited a dojo on Tamiami Trail near SW 72nd Avenue that was run by a friend of my teacher a few times. The place still exists and I am going to try to visit again to watch. I guess I hurt my knee early but I can imagine what a bad knee after years of playing Judo would be like. I hurt it when we were doing some training for the new police force right after the revolution and a guy fell on my extended knee while showing him how to do a tai otoshi. Instead of falling he just collapsed on me. Hit my kneecap on the way down. Best regards Bert (who still loves the sport) Dusty wrote: > After occasionally lurking here I decided to reply to this post. Bert, the > habit of not looking away from your opponents eyes when bowing goes way > back, over 50 years in Judo for me, and has always been taught in Martial > Arts dojos that I have been associated with. BTW, Ishikawa Sensei was one > of our great teachers in the USA and while I never met him many of my > friends learned from him. > > I lived in Miami for nearly 25 years from early 1973 until late 1996. I > opened several Judo dojos there and taught until the early 1980's when my > knees gave out and Judo politics finally threw me over. I assisted at the > Kolligan Judo Club, and created the Sylvania Judo Club and Silver Bluff Judo > Club. When Len Vieria left I took over his Homestead Judo Club. That was > the last club I taught at and finally stopped practicing Judo in 1988. > Knees were shot. Of course, I would remember the Judo guys and gals down > there if their names were mentioned, but at my age memories of those days > are foggy. > > Jeff Beish (retired) > > > "BertS" wrote in message > news:zEqdc.1970$zj3.628@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > >>I learned Judo in Cuba in the early years of the Cuban revolution. I was > > an > >>orange belt at the time I left Cuba and never continued due to an injury > > to my > >> right ACL. :-( >> >>We were taught that we would salute by bowing but never let our eyes move > > away > >>from our opponent's eyes and to keep our fists in front of the family > > jewels > >>to protect against a sneaky early attack. I am not sure where the custom > > came > >>from but both my teacher and his teacher trained under Ishikawa (later >>Ishikawa Sensei) at Havana's Judansha kai before he left Cuba to go to the > > US. > >>I had not seen a competition since then until last month's US Collegiate >>Championship in Miami and was curious why the competitors would shake > > hands. I > >>guess I am behind the times. :-) >> >>I did see a couple of strangulations that I thought were outlawed in >>competition. Something done with the lapel, okuri-something, lapel pulled >>tight across the neck. Are those allowed now? >> >>Bert >>