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> > >> You underestimate the ability of teenagers to hide things from their
parents.
> > >>
> > >> How many teenagers do you think have "dirty" magazines under their
mattress?
> > >>
> > > I didn't.
> > >
[...]
> > >> It isn't anymore difficult to hide some handguns or ammo.
> > >
> > > You a gun person? It isn't easy to *get* a gun, regardless of what
> > > some might say. Guns cost money, usually a lot, and most of the
> > > weapons used in the standard high school violence cases are not tiny
> > > 25 cal. pistols. So there is very little correlation between sticking
> > > a Hustler between the mattresses and hiding a gun.
> > >
> >
> > Isn't there? If you could, I assume successfuly, hide some Playboys
> > from your parents, couldn't you extend that to weapons?
>
> I could have had I wanted to.
>

You contradict yourself.

> But there are a couple of reasons why I
> wouldn't have. One, I respected and loved my parents a whole lot, and
> there was/is no way that I'm going to intentionally do anything that
> might dissappoint them or bring them hardship.

So why hide the Big 'Uns?

> Two, I grew up with a
> great respect for guns and what they can do; that's one of the
> benefits of actually having to kill food for the table rather than for
> sport (even though it might actually get eaten).
>

My (ex)father used to be a Cop. I was raised to respect the power a gun
can put in the hands of a human too. But a gun is only a tool, powerful or not.

> > > Besides, if the kid doesn't view his/her room as some sort of sovereign
> > > territory (a concept I neither agree with nor understand) then they
> > > know that at any time their mom/dad can enter their room and see
> > > what's going on. Of course, I grew up in a tiny house where there was
> > > considerable sharing of the living space, and it was very hard to have
such
> > > secrets.
> > >
> >
> > Which is why you had to hide them in a car and bury it.
> >
>
> Exactly. Now you're getting into my confounding logic.
>

Your logic proves only that you think your parents are idiots.

> [...]
> > > I never had a rifle or
> > > other weapon in my closet. I wasn't allowed. If a parent allows a
> > > child to keep a weapon in their room, then for certain that parent
> > > should be held accountable for that child's actions with that weapon
> >
> > No they shouldn't. Anyone over the age of about 6 can tell the difference
> > between "right" and "wrong". Therefore, unless I see a psychological
> > evaluation of this boy, I am going to assume that he knew what he did was
> > "wrong".
> >
> Who do you think is responsible for teaching right and wrong? And I
> certainly doubt that my son at age 6 will be able to tell the
> difference between right and wrong; he'll have a general knowledge,
>

The most general of which, is that you shouldn't kill people.

> but the process of teaching morals and values doesn't stop in
> preschool, and I'll be watching him like a hawk to ensure he
> understands.
>

I hope you don't plan on ransacking his room looking for contraband.

> [...]
> > > Parents are responsible for their kid's actions regardless of prior
> > > knowledge. That's part of being a parent. At some point society forgot
> > > this and that's about the time we started having some serious issues
> > > involving teens.
> > >
> >
> > So what if a 3 month old lies face down over the mouth of a 2 month old,
> > should his parents be drawn and quartered?
>
> Nope.
>

Another contradiction.

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