Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.heimat.gr.jp!news.tutrp.tut.ac.jp!news.cc.tut.ac.jp!nfeed.gw.nagoya-u.ac.jp!news-sv.sinet!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Don Kirkman Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan,sci.lang.japan Subject: Re: gifts for Japanese Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:26:30 -0700 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <%610d.14217$FV3.7873@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com> <2qcjbiFst5tkU1@uni-berlin.de> <2qcmltFtp9kgU3@uni-berlin.de> <2qempnFtp9kgU8@uni-berlin.de> <10k4gkj5uc5rv6b@news.supernews.com> <2qh8qpFv03a0U7@uni-berlin.de> Reply-To: newsman@covad.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de Uw386c9uhTEzTlK4QhRdbg/KZBvVz+hypiKThgUObaSMQlMKE= X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652 User-Agent: Hamster/2.0.5.5 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:18179 It seems to me I heard somewhere that Kevin Gowen wrote in article <2qh8qpFv03a0U7@uni-berlin.de>: >Don Kirkman wrote: >> I always react automatically to the "Oriental" discussions, since the >> late Edward Said, in proposing that it was a bad thing, was writing >> about the Near East ("Oriental scholars" were those 19th/20th century >> dudes who were digging up Egypt and Troy), and IMO a handful of folks >> tried to appropriate it to the Far East as well. Within my lifetime I >> continue to hear a fair number of ethnic Asians calling themselves, each >> other, and their enterprises "Oriental" without either regret or >> recrimination, right here in little old California. >They obviously learned how to speak English from hicks. Cute, but off the mark. Some of those ethnic Asians come from ancestors who have been in California since the mid-1850s, many since around 1900, and tons since 1954. Many are professionals with college degrees. But you knew, or reasonably should have known, that. -- Don Old age is when you start saying "I wish I knew now what I knew then."