Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.daionet.gr.jp!news.yamada.gr.jp!passion.nalgo.co.jp!news.moat.net!prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!9a2493fe!not-for-mail From: "necoandjeff" Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan References: <0oo9o0t7ot2addmdj99bo3u3t6rpqqsuqg@4ax.com> <2ukbgkF291po5U42@uni-berlin.de> <0j2bo0lgl9fc8kg6gqkuk4tf8ua9e3mh2k@4ax.com> <2ulh11F291po5U52@uni-berlin.de> <2uoervF2b2i1lU3@uni-berlin.de> <2uqt4rF2djf60U1@uni-berlin.de> <4188BA27.FF8A52B4@yahoo.co.jp> <4188F0CA.C62DA8F3@yahoo.co.jp> <4188FABF.4CAAB363@yahoo.co.jp> Subject: Re: I'm Usama bin Laden, and I approved this message Lines: 57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.109.192.76 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr14.news.prodigy.com 1099498511 ST000 219.109.192.76 (Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:11 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:11 EST Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: FKPGG[SESJSS@^LYMRKNOPDA[X_LPO@FKY\@LWQHBATBTSUBYFWEAE[YJLYPIWKHTFCMZKVMB^[Z^DOBRVVMOSPFHNSYXVDIE@X\BUC@GTSX@DL^GKFFHQCCE\G[JJBMYDYIJCZM@AY]GNGPJD]YNNW\GSX^GSCKHA[]@CCB\[@LATPD\L@J\\PF]VR[QPJN Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 16:15:11 GMT Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:20968 Eric Takabayashi wrote: > necoandjeff wrote: > >>> People are guilty of the crime the moment they commit it, whether or >>> not the crime is ever discovered or reported, or the perpetrator >>> ever identified, apprehended, prosecuted, convicted or not. >> >> Here we go again. > > He asked. > >> Eric continues to have difficulty distinguishing between >> the metaphysical state of guilt and when it is appropriate for the >> state to reach a conclusion regarding one's guilt and use that as a >> basis for restraining one's freedom, or perhaps worse. > > http://tinyurl.com/47kwb > > Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary > > 2 entries found for metaphysical. > To select an entry, click on it. > > ハGo > Main Entry: meta疳hys疂當al > Pronunciation: -'fi-zi-k&l > Function: adjective > 1 : of or relating to metaphysics > 2 a : of or relating to the transcendent or to a reality beyond what > is perceptible to the senses b : SUPERNATURAL > 3 : highly abstract or abstruse; also : THEORETICAL > 4 often capitalized : of or relating to poetry especially of the > early 17th century that is highly intellectual and philosophical and > marked by unconventional imagery > - meta疳hys疂當al疝y /-k(&-)lE/ adverb > > Nothing metaphysical about it. Purely factual. And if the criminals > didn't have something to hide, they'd be able to tell you all about > it. > > It is you who bring up technicalities such as "reach a conclusion". > No, it is appropriate for criminals to be punished because they did > it, not because a favorable "conclusion" is reached. You've demonstrated time and again your inability to deal with "technicalities" like reaching a conclusion. Unfortunately, the world is not as simple as the way in which you insist on trying to view it. I'll give you a hint, when I refer to your sense of guilt above as being metaphysical, I'm referring to the fact that it is something that is not perceptible to the senses. It takes a rather simple mind to state the obvious, like a criminal should be punished because they did it. But that is the goal not the issue. The law has to deal with how one is to go about reaching a conclusion regarding one's guilt and handing the state the power to act on that conclusion by taking one's freedom, or perhaps their life. Jeff