"OTA Takashi" <takot+news@sfc.keio.ac.jp> wrote in message
news:d8p43u$rcn$1@news.sfc.keio.ac.jp...
> Hi Tad,
>
> > We were taught that there are annual haiku-writing contests in Japan
>
> Yeah, but not so popular..., I suppose.
>
> > and that two more things were needed in addition to the 5-7-5
> > structure.
> >
> > These two additional things were:
> >
> > 1) A seasonal word from an approved list of seasonal words, because all
> > haiku must be about the seasons or reference the seasons in some way,
and,
>
> Exactly. People (especially Haiku critics) take particular note of
> including seasonal word (Kigo, in Japanese) rather than keeping the
> 5-7-5 structure. Sometimes we put or save some syllables depending on
> word choice, like 5-8-5 or 5-6-5. Seasonal word dictionaries (yes,
> sometimes so thick!) are called "Saijiki", along with a number of
> Haiku examples using each seasonal word written by famous Haiku
> writer. As far as I know, almost all Saijiki are separate to five
> volumes of seasons. (In Haiku, shin-nen (new year) is taken as an
> independent season.)

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> Be aware that the word "Saijiki" is often (much!) used for a title of
> essay about weather or lifestyle, nature photobook, or cooking guide
> :p because "Saiji" means "season's transition". I'm little confused
> too, when I amazon-ed Saijiki...
>
> > 2) An element of emotion (surprise, elation, realization) on the
> > part of the writer of the haiku.
>
> Right. But...
>
> > So, something like:
> >
> > I can't believe it!
> > Look! Way up there in the sky,
> > A giant white crane.
> >
> > Is a haiku, because cranes, like many animals are associated with a
given
> > season and included in the lists.
>
> Immediate expression of emotion is considered as a bad example. It is
> required that the Haiku reminds readers of a writer's feeling and/or
> its scenary where a writer were, through sketching flowers, animal,
> weather, nature, and so on. I think "save words, remind more" is a key
> to create Haiku. So, you do not need to say "beautiful" about flowers.
> Everybody knows flowers are beatiful.

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A migrating crane,
There! High up in the sky!
I can't believe it.

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> > Meanwhile, a poem like:
> >
> > I took my money,
> > And burned it in a campfire.
> > Now I am flat broke.
> >
> > Isn't a haiku.
> >
> > Now, for my question. We were also taught that a 5-7-5 poem like the
second
> > one, when it isn't a haiku, has a different name, but I can't remember
the
> > name.
> >
> > And that's my question.
> >
> > What do the Japanese call a poem that's structured like a haiku, but not
a
> > haiku?
>
> Senryu. Maybe Senryus are more popular than Haiku among Japanese.
> Quite a lot of (not publishing) companies hold annual Senryu contest
> about working, marriage, even property will.

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