chuckers wrote:
> On Oct 1, 11:18 am, CL <flot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The 2-Belo wrote:
>>> As it turns out, the guy was naturalized!
>>> http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/09/30/japan.savoie.children...
>> Give me an "Oy vey!"
>>
> 
> 
> "Oy vey!"
> 
> This case is causing an uproar all up and down the internets.  Debito
> has picked it up as well, of course, and JapanToday.com is going
> nuts in the comment section.

Poor guy.  First he gets arrested by the most rigid, stiff-necked bunch 
in the entire national police, then Debit rises up to help him.  He 
deserves better.

> I have lost track of who to side with on this matter. On the one 
> hand, the ex-wife taking the kids is wrong. On the other, him having
> Japanese citizenship from 4 years ago but divorcing and quickly
> remarrying in Tennessee is a bit scummy as well. Again, not really 
> enough "facts" to make a decision yet.

The State of Tennessee investigated and found venue competent.  They're 
required to do so in all cases.  She went through with the divorce in 
Tennessee and then went shopping for other venue when she didn't get the 
ruling she wanted.  She thumbed her nose at a state court ... which 
tends to piss those people off ... and violated a no-flight order.

Wife #2 looks a lot more "lush" than the photos they're showing of the 
Japanese wife (who always looks as though she's got a stick up her bum). 
   But, I don't like the act she's putting on with the appeal to the 
fundamentalist thinkers.

> If he was granted a divorce overseas, I think that is supposed to
> count.  

Nope.  Not in Japan.  Japanese courts are constantly finding that 
foreign courts do not have the power to understand the uniqueness, 
needs, and feelings of Japanese people and then reassign venue, and a 
retrial, to themselves ... finding 100% in favor of the host national 
plaintiff in all cases.

One of the things to keep in mind is that, under the old Legal Training 
Institute system in which only 1,500 law school graduates got to be new 
lawyers annually, the top 50% of the class were urged to become 
prosecutors and the bottom 20% were hustled into judgeships.  There is a 
tendency for the prosecutors to power their way through cases in no 
small part using intimidation against the judges who naturally feel that 
they are inferior thinkers.  I will grant that I have met some very 
excellent attorneys who were once judges but those are only a few and 
are the guys who recognized the bullshit factor in the entire selection 
process and did not play along.  Most judges are not of that group.

> However, it looks very much like the Japanese government wants to
> pull an Alberto Fujimori on it and say that since he has Japanese
> citizenship, the overseas divorce doesn't count. That way they can
> claim it as a domestic incident and not a shining example of why 
> Japan should sign the Hague Convention.

Unfortunately, there is a telephone-book-sized list of precedent to say 
that the Tennessee divorce is void in Japan.  They've been pulling that 
one for a very long time.  It is as bogus now as it has always been.

> But they are also trying to have it both ways if they are keeping him
>  locked up for child abduction. If he is Japanese (paper or
> otherwise) and still married, he can't be accused of kidnapping his
> own kids and shouldn't be locked up.

But, if he's still married to Noriko ... or whatever her name is .. he's 
now a bigamist, and THAT is a crime in Japan, as well.  The guy is 
screwed either way.  And, if you've seen the photies, would you want to 
be stuck with her?  She looks like someone badly in need of anger 
management counseling.

> An accurate timeline would be helpful. If he naturalised 4 years ago,
>  he was obviously living here for an extended period. Likely, his
> children were born in Japan. Likely they have US citizenship as well
> but that hasn't been confirmed.

He would have had to formally renounce his US citizenship and the US 
doesn't recognize that (in spite of Debit's antics).  So, AFAIK, the 
kids are US citizens by virtue of having one US born parent.

> Royal clusterfuck all the way around.

No Vaseline, either.

> Let's get another "Oy vey!"

"Oy vey!"

-- 
CL