Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!honnetnews!news.gw.fukushima-u.ac.jp!news.tains.tohoku.ac.jp!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail From: thoovler@excite.com (Igor) Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,fj.sci.matter,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Gradient of potential function of dynamic field Date: 14 Mar 2004 19:08:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.162.198.35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1079320094 20569 127.0.0.1 (15 Mar 2004 03:08:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.sci.matter:133 selftrans@yandex.ru (Sergey Karavashkin) wrote in message news:... > thoovler@excite.com (Igor) wrote in message news:... > > selftrans@yandex.ru (Sergey Karavashkin) wrote in message news:... > > > thoovler@excite.com (Igor) wrote in message news:... > > > > selftrans@yandex.ru (Sergey Karavashkin) wrote in message news:... > > > > > thoovler@excite.com (Igor) wrote in message news:... > > > > > > selftrans@yandex.ru (Sergey Karavashkin) wrote in message news:... > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We open the new volume > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > No matter how long-winded your explanations get, please bear in mind > > that you cannot defeat the fact that curl grad ALWAYS vanishes. Till > > you accept that fact, any attempted deviation from it will lead you > > down a long and worthless path. Maybe you are attempting to > > theoretically explain some observable effect, but I'm having trouble > > following your arguments. In any case, maintaining that curl grad is > > anything but zero won't get you there. It's a dead notion. Good > > luck. > > Dear Igor, > > This means, you have not read my long-winded explanations, neither our > paper? You even did not click the animation suggested to your > attention? You have considered nothing of my arguments? You even did > not understand, about what do I tell you. But I'm afraid, I will not > go on trying to prove you something. Please read my today post to > Franz Heymann and try to help him to determine the circulation of > vector in a very simple model. Then you possibly will understand, > where the deadlock is namely - of course, if you want to understand > it. > > Sergey Actually, I looked it over a couple of times. Frankly, I couldn't really find anything wrong with the flow of your arguments. My take is that there is a mistake in there somewhere. At least there would have to be, since curl grad always vanishes. But I still can't locate where your argument goes wrong. Maybe I'll look at it once more.