On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:11:37 +0900, Eric Takabayashi  ...
>
>Brett Robson wrote:
>>
>> How does the oil get from Russia to Japan? A very long hose?
>
>Tankers, which aren't being sunk by hostile forces.

Have a look at a map and get back to me. When they expoilt oil in  the east
Japan has the option to buy it.



>> > They could also look for other sources of energy, use
>>>less, or use lesser defensive measures like when they safely transported
>>nuclear
>> >fuel
>> >or MOX.
>>
>> Which is what they have been doing.
>
>And which is something they could keep doing if not reliant on the US.
>

You are saying "try harder", unfortunately the answer is not that simple. Why
does Japan have so much nuclear and hydro power?


>
>So use a helicopter with rockets and missiles or carrying personnel. And still
>offensive.
...

>So use army helicopters.


Army helicopter have less range and the pilots are wary of flying over water for
very good reason. Japan has crappy attack helicopters anyway.
http://www.jda.go.jp/jgsdf/info/so3_e.html



>
>Why do you limit movement of personnel, transport and arms to such ships? Japan
>has
>done without for years, and will continue to do so as when they send personnel
>and
>arms to the Middle East yet again.
>

There are unable to invade. That is the whole idea of article 9. Whether or not
you agree with the Iraq deployment Japan is not capable of invading anything.
The only thing they are capable of is minor inderdiction.


>Someone like you could say the same of many of the world's national armed
>forces, or
>about North Korea firing Silkworm missiles into the sea. At least other
>countries
>admit they have a military.

Let me speak for myself thank you.

>
>So try JAL's fleet, and Japan's commercial shipping fleet, full of SDF personnel
>and
>equipment.

And they will be at the bottom of the Eastern/Japanese Sea before they get out
of Japan's territorial waters.

Where do they land?

"Hey look at all these orange ships, Japan must be donating lots of Toyotas."
"Surprise! Hands up it's the 3rd Armoured Divison."



>
>We are not talking about how scary they are or even how effective they are,
>because
>they are not going to beat China or North Korea; we are talking about how the
>JSDF
>and its capabilities are not limited to Japan, as they have already proven.

Neither are the Michigan Militia. Given enough of your hypothetical situations
and resources they could invade anywhere.


>> >> The airforce has no refuelling aircraft -
>> >
>> >Easily remedied.
>>
>>yes of course, and Australia could build nuclear weapons. It easy when you make
>> up stuff up.
>
>You mean, Australia can't? Japan can.

Of course we could. The point is you are just making up stupid scenarios.
Australia could build nuclear weapons therefor so we are a nuclear power.


>
>Claiming Japan is not in violation of Article 9 as Japan has for years is
>"making
>stuff up".

No, that is the first time you've mentioned it. You started off saying Japan
should not tow the US line and I pointed out practical reasons why they can't or
shouldn't. Obtaining offensive weapons is very different to peace keeping in
East Timor.


>
>> >> they would struggle to lob anything bigger than grenades at Nth Korea.
>> >
>> >Japanese rockets would make nifty missiles, as rockets have always been.
>>
>> You mean the H2A Anti Submarine Rocket? Very expensive and not very accurate.
>
>You can say the same of American missile defense system development, among other
>things.
>
>And what have North Korean rockets and nuclear arms done in war while Japanese
>wring
>their hands?
>

I have no idea what you are talking about.



>>I don't think it would be possible to hit Korea with an H2A, not even the ones
>> that go straight up.
>
>Why not? 

It would be like using a 747 to fly from Shinjuku to Shibuya.


>And why limit any of Japan's offensive capabilities to Korea?
>

Well of course they could hit Argentina for selling their oil to the US but I
don't think they would. While I wouldn't want an H2A crashing on my house they
would really have to build a warhead first. The H2A is not a weapon, and it is
so unreliable that it is  not even a potential weapon.
 

>> >Are you admitting that Japan can attack a neighboring country?
>>
>> Yes, with 500kg bombs dropped from a F15 or F4; the 5inch (?) gun on their
>> destroyers; or a helicopter got strafe Nth Korea with it 7.62mm gun. All of
>> which would get the shit blown out of them.
>
>But are they offensive?
>

Obviously in your mind they are. In your mind any weapopn can kill therefore is
an offensive weapon. Two sea scouts with a big dog would be an offensive weapon.
Should they be armed with nerf bats?

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