Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.mesh.ad.jp!not-for-mail From: "cc" Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Re: I've finally figured this puppy out Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 02:27:52 +0900 Organization: BIGLOBE news user Lines: 81 Message-ID: References: <3FC0A9FA.18DA4237@yahoo.co.jp> <3md1svo5irh80rphon12f3mnl68e19aint@4ax.com> <3FC224F2.26BA5A9B@yahoo.co.jp> <3FC34410.B4ABB722@yahoo.co.jp> <3FC36EB4.8FF7BD8@yahoo.co.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: coosk212ds59.osk.mesh.ad.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bgsv5647.tk.mesh.ad.jp 1069955574 14034 211.13.105.59 (27 Nov 2003 17:52:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mesh.ad.jp NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:52:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:8500 "Ryan Ginstrom" wrote in message > Of course the poor farmers didn't buy the stuff. They were supposed to gain > a cash market for their crops, in exchange the country would let in > manufactured goods and services. Even in poor countries they drive cars, use > software, etc. Yes, but that was never the deal you describe. They'd have imported those goods anyway, as they can't manufacture them themselves...and the rich countries do a too little part of their business with poors to really take the pain to give something important in exchange of their markets. Most countries are invited at WTO meetings as spectators. At best, the big ones pretend to discuss with them by politeness. > Do you think all the major Japanese manufacturers are shifting their > factories to China out of a desire to help the Chinese people? I don't think manfucaturers are philanthrops with anyone, compatriots or foreigners. >It's all > about the bottom line. But the Chinese are smart -- they make the foreign > companies give something up to move in -- technology, training, etc. That's > why everybody is sure China in the future will be a fearsome economic beast. That was the pronostic 15 years ago. So now they already have all the technology of the world....and should be smart enough to get electricity all day and hot water. They are fearsome the way USSR was fearsome. If China became really economically performant without breaking into parts, that would be very positive for Japanese economy as increasing competition would come with increasing opportunities. The fear is more about a failure like that of North-Korea. > There's a lot of room for opinion on this one. There are prices and balances > for everything. Artifically keeping manufacturing jobs in the country will > just prolong the inevitable, while hurting the rest of the economy. I was not talking about transitions from old to new industries. I consider that shoganai. "Protected sectors" is certainly not the term in English, sorry I have forgotten how to say that, but that's an American concept at the start (Porter ?). Understand sectors of employement more than of activity, it's protected versus exposed to global competition and price fluctuation. The "protected" ( Isolated ? ) ones are administration, public services, army and possibly research and industry depending of State/army (like the NASA). It's admitted to add agriculture for local market and local services -especially professions, local transportations-in context of fixed/guaranted pricing. Normally you don't need to be French to see difference of effect of public help/intervention on the 2 sorts of sectors. Companies in exposed sectors are more and more multinational, if you give them tax money, you can't prevent them from taking it out of the country and putting it on Swiss bank accounts or wherever else they prefer to relocate....instead of reinvesting locally. In fact, my country has traditionnally done the contrary of what I suggest, during decades that was the policy of "champions" with the State trying to built plane makers (concorde), computer makers (thomson), and helping many others that were supposed to compete internationnally. That was considered a good idea, then criticised, and the next generations will talk about it as we talk about colonisation. > There is no doubt that Japanese entrepreneurism is hurting badly. Not enough > new businesses are opening. The government knows it's a problem, that's why > they have a special program to let people create yuugen gaisha, and postbone > the 3 million-yen bond for 5 years. That will revolutionate everything. CC