Eric Takabayashi <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote:
> mtfester@netscape.net wrote:

>> >> > You see how Japanese can't stop talking about North Korea, and are so (relatively) demanding
>> >> > over the issue? You see the difference in progress made on resolution? That is what happens when
>> >> > Japanese actually know and care about an issue.

>> >> Right. Hardly surprising that the issue of an unstable nuclear power within
>> >> spitting distance of them,
>>
>> > That is not the issue to the Japanese, the fate of 13 abductees and their children is.
>>
>> OK, I guess NHK is reporting it to me all wrong...

> No, perhaps you are watching them wrong.

Maybe I should look at them upside down?

> is a precondition to normalization talks. 

Which means what, exactly? That Japan will give them money? They get MOST
of their hard currency from Japan already.

>> OK, what do you suggest  they do? Declare war?

> Japan should have resolved the war issue then, and I do not mean San Francisco Peace Treaty that they

What do you mean by "resolved", PRECISELY?

They surrendered. The war ended. They were ruled by a foreign power, directly,
for 7 years, had a new constitution foisted upon them, etc.

What's not resolved? Have they resurrected the Hitler "We didn't lose"
line while I was out?

> always use to avoid taking responsibility, and Japan would not have the war era historical problems they
> have today.

What "problems" are these? Are they dragging the economy down? Endangering
the populace? Or is it just an aesthetic thing?

>> The was out for decades, and highly controversial.

> And Japanese still don't know.

Neither did you; maybe there's something in the water there that makes
people stupid.

>> Being controversial, it generated a lot of publicity.

> So you say. And Japanese still don't know.

Nor you.

>> The decades-long lawsuit generated more.
>> Asahi Shimbun published first-hand accounts of some of the incidents from
>> time-to-time. Yet, you rip the Japanese people for not having heard of
>> this; a bit odd, don't you think?

> No, because Japanese don't know.

Nor you.

>> Actually, I know  of no attempt to deny the existance of the unit by any
>> government official agency in the last few decades.

> So why was it 1998, when the government made the admission?

If you  meant to write 19*6*8, I'd be more inclined to believe you.

Need a  reference?

>> I DO know they wanted to keep it out of school texts,

> That could be called a coverup.

The ol' "let's hide it by making a big deal out  of the court case" ploy,
eh? 

Very clever.

>> > And Japanese still don't know.
>>
>> Neither do you?

> I know. Japanese don't.

If you "know", then why didn't you know the data were PUBLISHED in the
60s?

>> So, is there something wrong with you, or just them?

> Japan's unresolved war issues and their apathy and ignorance about them, are a problem about them, not me.

So, you don't know, and you don't care?

>> > I am not the one who needs to be told more about Unit 731.
>>
>> OK, ONE MORE TIME:
>>
>> WHERE are these mass-graves in Tokyo for the 731 victims?

> Why don't you admit you don't know?

Um, do you speak English? Or has Monkey-boy taken over your keyboard?

What part of "I never heard about it" is confusing?

Were the words insufficiently monosyllabic?

>> (Not to mention,
>> why would they ship the corpses from China to the capitol?)

> To study. Also, they were reportedly not all dead.

So, no doubt, you have a reference for me?

Pretty please with sugar lumps and honey?

>> I dunno what to tell you; my wife has a friend from Niigata, and they
>> apparently knew about it for some time...

> Nice to know your wife's friend represents the Japanese public, the millions who don't know.

Nicer to know, I suppose that YOU represent the millions.

>> I can really only speak of Kochi recently, but the people I ran into in
>> Tokyo, or at least a few of them, seemed to know.

> A few. I am talking about the Japanese public.

I suppose only the Japanes private sector lives in Kochi, then. The public
sector must live closer to you.

>> > I know the Japanese people and government doesn't care about them like the abductees.

> I forgot to mention they also don't know.

OK, so when NHK airs a "tearful" reunion of abandoned Chinese and Korean
resident Japanese with their "family" in Japan, they must turn the set
off.

I guess that's the problem with public TV. 

>> > I know there are thousands, if they are still alive.
>>
>> And a good number in China as well.

> I know. But we are talking about North Korea.

OK, I suppose that's different for reasons which will come to you later.

>> Pardon me, I meant 6 decades.

> Did you ask them if they considered themselves Japanese or not (regardless of the fact they are still

Since a good many of those returned to (in this case) China after having
reunited with their families, I'm gonna go with the "vote with their feet"
metric.

Really, Mr Takabayashi, you canNOT have been so dense not to have noted that
old people in general tend to like the familiar.
 
>> Uh, because if you have no idea why  something is happening, most likely
>> you are never going to be able to do something about it.

> Why would not knowing stop people from ending Japanese ignorance of wartime issues? If Japanese schools

I'm sorry; I don't grok.

How is it that not understanding the "why" of something renders you better
able to raise your voice about it?
 
>> Decades pass regardless of what we do with them. Natural laws and all that.
>>
>> Now, what is "resolved" in Germany, that is not in Japan?
>>
>> Be VERY precise for me, please.

> Responsibility for wartime actions.

Hmm, Japan paid money to numerous nations, who have claimed that they considered
the issues "settled".

So, what, precisely, is unresolved?

>> > No, they are not. Germany's legal and political stance are quite different from that of Japan.

>> Explain in detail.

> Are you being funny?

No.

> Japanese are permitted to publicly deny wartime actions and responsibility, as well
> as promote wartime or warlike views.

So are Germans. 

>> > Yet Japanese continue to whine about how they suffered in the war, or about the nuclear issue today.
>> > What a difference.
>>
>> You don't know too many Germans, do you?

> None. But the issue is Japan.

Then you should stop pretending you know a difference between the Japanese
and the Germans.

>> > Japan should pay survivors and their families, those responsible punished by courts of law, and the
>> > issue should be "explained", similar to what Japanese would like done regarding the abduction issue.
>>
>> You really should read Shirer's book, Mr Takabayashi...

> Is it about Japan?

Some. But your remarks about Germany's reaction to WWII events doesn't seem
to have much to do with Japan, yet you bring them up constantly.

Is this a game only you can play?

Mike