Hmmm, ya good point.  I wasn't even thinking of cost... not
knowing the volume you printed in etc.  I personally have
never printed more than five or ten shots in any given month.

I keep all that stuff on photo-CDs or ISO 9660 and call it
up on the home entertainment system or on one of the PCs
where it's printed instantly to a 21" monitor.

$0.50  Ya, that's kind of alot if you're doing many.  I'd
suggest ink printers but they fade and discolor in a relativly
short peroid of time.  How about grey market supply houses
(mostly in New York) that I see in the backs of photo mags?
Have you considered thier prices or are you just going by
what reviewers write up in thier product review articles?

I /think/ most reviews calculate such figures based on MSRP.
I bet yu could cut that in half.  If you could that would
even it out a bit.

That and/or do both.  When you don't care have costco do
the dirty and when you want it to look right print it on
the die-sub.




"Reg Siemens" <regsiemens@coldmail.com> wrote in message news:ibfPa.11917$V8.10428@news1.mts.net...
> So my question is, what's your cost per copy with a die-sub printer?  Costco
> prints them in 1 hour for CDN $.29 per print.  Any reviews that I have read
> on die-sub printers would put the cost per print at about US$.50 (about CDN
> $.75).  That's more than double Costco's price.  So I'm supposed to lay out
> hundreds of dollars to be able to pay more than double per print???  Sure
> convenience is worth something but I usually print 100 plus at a shot so
> it's not a big deal.
>
> Reg
>
>
> "Tesselator" <jimmmboe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:beji93$91h$1@catv02.starcat.ne.jp...
> > Why crop them at all?
> >
> > Don't do it.  Buy yourself a nice die-sub printer.  What are
> > they these days anyway?  About $250 ~ $350 ?   And they're faster
> > than shhhhhaving cream these days.
> >
> > BTW, you said in your first post that digital images are cropped
> > as if 35mm film images aren't.   They are.  The standard print
> > cuts a massive 7.5mm off either the right or the left of a landscape
> > oriented neg. and you're at the mercy of the photo guy to raise
> > that blade and make the change.  The paper cut may crop more yet
> > depending on the machine used but usually not with Maritsu or
> > a Boss.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Reinder Mulder" <rDOTiDOTm.NO2SPAM@hccnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:bej5d2$ah$1@news.hccnet.nl...
> > > Batch conversions are supported by (www.) IrfanView (.com) - perfect
> > > free picture viewer and simple editor. It supports a.o. batch *resizing*
> > > to 3:2 or *cropping* to a fixed position and size in pixels.
> > > The first option will lead to some distortion whilst the second requires
> > > all pictures in one batch to have the same resolution e.g. 1600 x 1200
> > > so these can be cropped to let's say 1500 x 1000 from absolute position
> > > 50, 100
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > > Reinder
> > >
> > >
> > > Reg Siemens wrote:
> > > > Hey Pete,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the further info on Paintshop Pro.  I guess cropping them
> one
> > > > picture at a time with the predefined format will have to do if there
> are
> > > > none that incorporate some type of wizard to do a batch.  I still
> think it
> > > > would be a feature that would be beneficial...do a batch conversion to
> 3:2
> > > > and then just preview thumbnails to ensure that they're OK before
> printing.
> > > >
> > > > Based on your message I looked for pre-defined 4x6 cropping feature
> and none
> > > > of the photo editors that I had previously installed on my machine had
> it,
> > > > however I found a copy of PhotoSuite Platinum sitting on the shelf
> that was
> > > > bundled with some video editing software that I bought and I'd never
> > > > bothered to install it...till now.  I went ahead and installed it and
> sure
> > > > enough it has the predefined formats and this certainly works better
> than
> > > > the hit and miss manual cropping.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for steering me in the right direction!
> > > >
> > > > Reg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "pmg" <pmg@replytogroup.com.au> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f0c80fa$0$9355$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > >
> > > >>Reg
> > > >>
> > > >>Most of the graphics editing software I've used allows you to either
> > > >>manually resize the image using the mouse or there is a resize tool
> option
> > > >>that allows you to set the ratio or actual dimensions. What I have
> often
> > > >>done is set the width or height to what I want, looking at the value
> that
> > > >>this creates in the resize tool's options or settings and then simply
> > > >>calculate the other dimention by either multiplying or dividing by 1.5
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > >>setting the other dimension to that figure.
> > > >>Any "totally automatic" cropping tool (if it exists) will obviously
> leave
> > > >>you no control of where the crop needs to be.
> > > >>Paintshop Pro, the editor I use has configurable presets in it's
> resize
> > > >>toolbar (4X6, 6X4, etc etc) that you can add to or modify. When using
> the
> > > >>resize tool this option appears on the toolbar and you can simply
> click
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > >>ratio you want. This produces the cropping frame correctly
> proportioned
> > > >
> > > > over
> > > >
> > > >>your image and you only need to drag the corner and move the position
> to
> > > >
> > > > get
> > > >
> > > >>the correct crop position, the preset ratio is fixed. Of course
> Paintshop
> > > >>comes with all the other enhancement tools like redeye removal,
> automatic
> > > >>photoenhancement, special effects, etc so it is a complete package.
> It's
> > > >>available for a free download and trial period.
> > > >>Good luck.............Pete
> > > >>
> > > >>"Reg Siemens" <regsiemens@coldmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >>news:0MTOa.10028$V8.7648@news1.mts.net...
> > > >>
> > > >>>>Almost any graphics editing program will do this, from lowly
> freewares
> > > >>
> > > >>(eg
> > > >>
> > > >>>>http://www.rocketdownload.com/details/grap/4676.htm) all the way to
> > > >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > >>>big
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>daddies like Photoshop. Usually the dig camera comes with a software
> > > >>
> > > >>that
> > > >>
> > > >>>>will do the cropping along with other things like rotation, etc. I
> use
> > > >>>>Paintshop Pro (www.jasc.com) because it's loaded with other options
> > > >
> > > > for
> > > >
> > > >>>>tidying up your image before printing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Thanks Pete,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>I have various photo-editing packages on my system and I've been
> fixing
> > > >>>red-eye etc. and I have also used their cropping tools but it seems
> to
> > > >
> > > > be
> > > >
> > > >>>trial and error i.e. crop and undo until you have the 3:2 ratio
> required
> > > >>
> > > >>for
> > > >>
> > > >>>standard prints.  I'm probably not alone in wanting to print my
> digital
> > > >>>photos professionally and I would hope/imagine there is software out
> > > >
> > > > there
> > > >
> > > >>>that would, as an example, format all of the selected photos from 4:3
> to
> > > >>
> > > >>3:2
> > > >>
> > > >>>cropping the bottom only.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Reg
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>Pete
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>"Reg Siemens" <regsiemens@coldmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>news:NpNOa.9533$V8.7146@news1.mts.net...
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>Sorry if you have answered this question a million times, but I'm
> > > >
> > > > new
> > > >
> > > >>to
> > > >>
> > > >>>>the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>world of digital photography and just found out the hard way that
> > > >>>
> > > >>>digital
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>photos are created in 4:3 format when your standard photo
> processing
> > > >>>>>facility print is 3:2 (e.g. 6x4, 7x5, 10x8, etc.).  Taking digital
> > > >>>
> > > >>>images
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>in
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>to have them professionally printed has resulted in the top and
> > > >
> > > > bottom
> > > >
> > > >>>>being
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>cropped.  I like to take my photos with very little head room and
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>therefore
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>have found many of my shots are less than ideal when cropped
> equally
> > > >>>
> > > >>>from
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>top and bottom.  What I'd like to do is manipulate the images prior
> > > >
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > >>>>>burning my CD to take to the printer so that I choose how they're
> > > >>>
> > > >>>cropped.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>So the point of this whole message...what is the best software to
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>facilitate
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>cropping a whack of images to 3:2 ratio prior to printing?  More
> > > >
> > > > often
> > > >
> > > >>>>than
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>not, I'd like to crop exclusively from the bottom.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Thanks in advance for your help
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>Reg Siemens
> > > >>>>>Winnipeg, Canada
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>