Eric Takabayashi wrote:
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
>>>>>>> You accept
>>>>>>> problematic or flawed decisions as law?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. What other choice is there?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obeying or doing what is actually right.
>>>>
>>>> I see. So private citizens or public servants who disagree with a
>>>> court decision should disregard it in order to do what is actually
>>>> right.
>>>
>>> If a law is wrong, as laws have been in the past, or as seen in
>>> other nations or forms of government.
>>
>> Whoa. What a bizarre statement, especially the part about other
>> nations.
>
> Why? Should we obey "oppressive" laws instead?

Why not? How do you decide whether or not to obey a law. For example, how
did you decide to disobey the Japanese laws regarding the carrying of a
concealed weapon.

>>>> Got it.
>>>
>>> Why would that be a problem?
>>
>> It's only a problem if you don't want the National Guard showing up
>> at your doorstep. Just ask George Wallace.
>
> Depends on the seriousness of the improper law disregarded, and the
> will to do what is right in face of any penalty.

How do you know if a law is improper? Is there an imperative to disobey
improper laws?

>>> It was you who posted "It is indeed true
>>> that 'later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and
>>> proper in fact serve only to oppress.'"
>>
>> Yes, I did, a statement that refers to the legislative process, not
>> obeying and disregarding law as one damn well pleases.
>
> It is not disregarding law as "one damn well pleases", it is doing
> what is actually right, in spite of what one would actually like to
> do.

I don't understand the distinction you are trying to make.

> Why are you not mentioning Kant of late?

What would you like me to mention about him?

>>>>> But the decision of the court and what is written in the
>>>>> Constitution
>>>>> do not determine reality.
>>>>
>>>> They most certainly determine the reality of what the law is.
>>>
>>> The law does not determine reality of a single proper speed limit on
>>> your street, any more than it determines whether anything else is
>>> proper.
>>
>> I never said anything about proper. I only talked about what the
>> legal speed limit is.
>
> Would you care to talk about what the proper speed limit on your
> street is, under any given conditions, for you and your car?

Not particularly.

-- 
Kevin Gowen
"When I'm president, we'll do executive orders to overcome any wrong
thing the Supreme Court does tomorrow or any other day." Dick Gephardt
(D-MO), presidential candidate