Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator2-sterling!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news.tiscali.nl!not-for-mail From: "Julius Dijksman" Newsgroups: alt.martial-arts.judo,japan.budo.judo Subject: Re: Strong throw Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:45:49 +0100 Organization: Prive Lines: 81 Message-ID: References: <3e03486f$0$1520$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Reply-To: "Julius Dijksman" NNTP-Posting-Host: 195-241-132-199-bbxl.xdsl.tiscali.nl X-Trace: reader1.tiscali.nl 1045057677 28176 195.241.132.199 (12 Feb 2003 13:47:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tiscali.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:47:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.budo.judo:143 I agree with it too. But as Judo is situational and you never know what situation wil occur when, you never know what technique you wil use in advance. Ofcause you try to steer your opponent in a situation you can do the things you are good at. but your opponent has the same strategie at large. Only his good things and his chose of the moment differ. So as for the effectifness of training this throw I think it depends on your personal affection to the technique. As I recall Angel you are a referee too, and when you are judging you sometimes see these kind of unconventional throws mostly resulting in an opponent kaken by surprisse. and I think the value of these Kuzure's lies just in that, no one expects them to happen and therefore they are effective. I think that every A-class competition judoka has several of these thechniques. Fore me this thechnique is to heavy to use. I faile the strength in the upperbody to bring my opponent up and around to the back unless he or she is far beneath my wheight cattagory (-95) So I probably will never use it and use techniques as yoko wakare or some less known te wasa or a mkikomi. As you said the throws has to be natural for yourself. So I think this one can be very natural for a strong person with a swifst lifting action. Best regards Julius "Jigotai" schreef in bericht news:b2bu7e$1alt5p$1@ID-113466.news.dfncis.de... > I agree with you. However, you'll agree with me that to spend time and > energy by training a technique that you could use a few times in your life, > it is not such an efficient way of wasting your time. All of us have some, > let's say, "strange" technique that we use in the correct moment, a > rçtechnique that goes out from us in a natural way. Some of us could have a > technique as Ura-nage. Some of us could have a technique as Hiza guruma. But > what makes that this "strange" techniques goes out it is our knwoledegement > of judo basis. I never practiced Tomoe Nage at uchi-komi and it is not one > of my favourites (personally I doesn´t like sutemis, but it is another > story ) and it is not even an option on my mind. However, I think I did it > twice on my life at randori and twice it was a perfect ippon. Maybe I chose > the correct moment. Maybe I made the perfect timing of the throw. Maybe my > rival was aslept :-) I don't know. What I know is this throw went out from > me. However, I never trained Tomoe Nage at any randori. > > Anyway, I have spent 10 years training Uchi-mata... and it doesn't work all > times. :-) > > "Irdium" escribió en el mensaje > news:s4oi4vsqf2mf1o077t1fm684ldc6vm7r68@4ax.com... > > On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:12:19 +0100, "Jigotai" wrote: > > > > >Nice performance!!! > > >If you asked me, I'd say it is a kind of Ura Nnage. However, I think that > > >technique should be very inneficient in a randori because if uke doesn't > > >help, tori is totally unable to do it. Not tsukuri, not kuzushi at all. > > > > > >It looks like a technique of WWF wrestling. > > > > > >Best regards > > > > > >Angel > > > > All techniques is efficient in the right situation. Now wether that > > situation will apear is a whole different story. In my opinion, > > everyone should learn atlesat on throw that works in a way like Ura > > Nage. If this is a good ont to choose? Well it mainly depends on what > > other throws u have in your baskett. I would not advice anyone to do > > any special study of this thorw in order to use it in a competition. A > > good and solid O uchi gari or O soto gari is far more likely to be > > used. But if u feel this throw may fill a gap and give u a good > > oportunity, why not? I'm confident it works. But for me? probably not > > I'll just continue trying to get my Hisa guruma to work the way I > > want. =) > > Irdium > >