Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!81-202-92-35.user.ono.COM!not-for-mail From: "Jigotai" Newsgroups: alt.martial-arts.judo,japan.budo.judo Subject: Re: Strong throw Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:41:47 +0100 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3e03486f$0$1520$626a54ce@news.free.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 81-202-92-35.user.ono.com (81.202.92.35) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1045003310 44758201 81.202.92.35 (16 [113466]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.budo.judo:142 I agree with you. However, you'll agree with me that to spend time and energy by training a technique that you could use a few times in your life, it is not such an efficient way of wasting your time. All of us have some, let's say, "strange" technique that we use in the correct moment, a rçtechnique that goes out from us in a natural way. Some of us could have a technique as Ura-nage. Some of us could have a technique as Hiza guruma. But what makes that this "strange" techniques goes out it is our knwoledegement of judo basis. I never practiced Tomoe Nage at uchi-komi and it is not one of my favourites (personally I doesn´t like sutemis, but it is another story ) and it is not even an option on my mind. However, I think I did it twice on my life at randori and twice it was a perfect ippon. Maybe I chose the correct moment. Maybe I made the perfect timing of the throw. Maybe my rival was aslept :-) I don't know. What I know is this throw went out from me. However, I never trained Tomoe Nage at any randori. Anyway, I have spent 10 years training Uchi-mata... and it doesn't work all times. :-) "Irdium" escribió en el mensaje news:s4oi4vsqf2mf1o077t1fm684ldc6vm7r68@4ax.com... > On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:12:19 +0100, "Jigotai" wrote: > > >Nice performance!!! > >If you asked me, I'd say it is a kind of Ura Nnage. However, I think that > >technique should be very inneficient in a randori because if uke doesn't > >help, tori is totally unable to do it. Not tsukuri, not kuzushi at all. > > > >It looks like a technique of WWF wrestling. > > > >Best regards > > > >Angel > > All techniques is efficient in the right situation. Now wether that > situation will apear is a whole different story. In my opinion, > everyone should learn atlesat on throw that works in a way like Ura > Nage. If this is a good ont to choose? Well it mainly depends on what > other throws u have in your baskett. I would not advice anyone to do > any special study of this thorw in order to use it in a competition. A > good and solid O uchi gari or O soto gari is far more likely to be > used. But if u feel this throw may fill a gap and give u a good > oportunity, why not? I'm confident it works. But for me? probably not > I'll just continue trying to get my Hisa guruma to work the way I > want. =) > Irdium