Re: Strong throw
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> still a sacrifice throw because he is "sacrificing" his position. Now the
> next question?
Well, let's see. As far as I know a "sutemi" is a technique which our
position is sacrified so that making the throw. But, which is the meaning of
"sacrifying our position"? I think the meaning is simply that our body touch
mat before uke's one. If you take a look to sutemi-waza and yoko sutemi waza
grom from Nage-no-kata, you will see what I mean. However, this throw is
different: Tori never land before uke. It could be so close to Ura-nague, if
you want. That's the only doubt I have got.
> Is this Nagewaza to be scored, or a "takedown" that would
> have no score?
Of course. Totally. If there are control, speed and uke lands over his back
it would be ippon.
>
> I would have to refer to the rule I learned about hiki komi gaeshi and
sumi
> gaeshi. If there is no separation between the bodies as in hikikomi then
> there is no score; if there is a degree of separation (I think 90') then
it
> is not hikikomi but sumi gaeshi.
As referee, I always would called score with both techniques. There is not
diferences if there are separation or not between our body and uke's one.
Only I would not call score if:
- tori were completely on mat and made the throw.
- there was not continuity in throw.
- uke were with one of his knees over mat.
Best regards
Angel
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