Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.heimat.gr.jp!taurus!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!news.glorb.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail From: selftrans@yandex.ru (Sergey Karavashkin) Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.physics.electromag,alt.sci.physics.new-theories,fj.sci.matter,sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Gradient of potential function of dynamic field Date: 18 Mar 2004 14:26:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.177.112.246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1079648795 11137 127.0.0.1 (18 Mar 2004 22:26:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.sci.matter:141 "Mark Palenik" wrote in message news:... > "Bilge" wrote in message > news:slrnc54m9t.985.dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net... > > Sergey Karavashkin: > > >dubious@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net (Bilge) wrote in message news: > > > >> > > >> \nabla x (\nabla\Phi) = e_ijk \nabla_i\nabla_j\Phi > > >> > > >> = \nabla_i\nabla_j\Phi - \nabla_j\nabla_i\Phi > > >> > > >> = (\nabla_i\nabla_j - \nabla_j\nabla_i)\Phi > > >> > > >> = 0 > > >> > > >> Tell me. What's next on the selflab agenda? Do you plan to show that > > >> sin^2 + cos^2 != 1 for "dynamic fields"? > > > > > >Dear Bilge, > > > > > >For people defending not the objective truth but interests of definite > > >school, and defending by any price, our works really are only an > > >irritant. > > > > It's a mathemaical identity, sergey. Rather than engage in a verbose > > diatribe and rant about me being an irritant, why don't you simply > > point out how that identity doesn't follow from the definitions of > > the gradient and curl. Anything else is just a smokescreen. > > > > I almost replied pointing out that for a nonconservative vector field, the > curl wouldn't be zero, but after reading Franz post, I see that Sergey > claims curl(grad(phi)) can not equal zero, which is ridiculous, since the > vector field is grad(f(x,y,z)), which immediately means it's conservative. > By no stretch of the imagination is what he's stating possible, regardless > of how physics works. Dear Mark, you are some inexact in what I'm stating. When speaking with Franz, I unambiguously considered dynamic fields, and theorem of curl of potential vector has been written just for dynamic fields. And the animation which I presented to Franz also represents the dynamic field. In our paper we clearly showed that in stationary fields for potential vectors the curl is zero. It is non-zero for dynamic fields. So let us laugh together that you understood it wrong. I will be very grateful if you more literally read what I write. Kind regards, Sergey