Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.heimat.gr.jp!taurus!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!38.144.126.100.MISMATCH!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.speakeasy.net!news.speakeasy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:19:22 -0600 From: Preston Kutzner Subject: Re: More on KODA Newsgroups: soc.culture.japan,fj.life.in-japan Followup-To: soc.culture.japan Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:17:17 -0600 References: <41843DEA.8090406@yahoo.com> <2ujhihF2a7v3mU1@uni-berlin.de> <41859DBE.6020909@hotmail.com> <0Arhd.705$Z22.347@trndny04> User-Agent: KNode/0.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Message-ID: Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.92.138.226 X-Trace: sv3-2trip9lKWfKPXySr0EAKndbLksTWtkvqvx2IHXE6c3WivSZinQVHG202pPk0EYCCFTYCqDLMPFAfNsY!pAfhJ4wqyLBmse9BwFar4V797MIXZB4qJnPPQYq2FZ4hOsKtX38OUYA/5bmXjVL3yHiHPN0CyhWe!63BUA3uSLZ/4MbDA X-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@speakeasy.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.20 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:20868 FreddieN wrote: > > "Declan Murphy" wrote in message > news:41859DBE.6020909@hotmail.com... >> FreddieN wrote: >> >> > I don't believe that racism and bigotry has anything to to with genes. >> > Nor do I believe that people make any deliberate attempt to become > racists >> > and bigots. >> > With few exceptions, I think that most people become that way through > either >> > the surrounding >> > culture which either encourages or condones such thinking, or through > events >> > which have >> > occured in a persons life that at the least gives rise to sharp bigoted >> > thinking and at worst >> > trauma from which one can suffer for years. >> > >> > I was in Manhattan on Tuesday September 11, 2001. >> >> So what? > > You don't know wht I saw and experienced that day. > So where do you come off with your "so what"??? > >> Racism, bigotry and anger are your choice and your loss. "Sharp bigoted >> thinking" cannot be blamed on others or on events. >> > > No Mr Murphy THEY ARE NOT YOUR CHOICE. > TRAUMA IS NOT A CHOICE. > PSYCHOLOGICAL REACTION TO TRAUMATIC EVENTS IS NOT A CHOICE. You may not always have a choice about how you react, but you always have a choice about how you act. Once the initial reaction is over, you still have the choice to not continue to remain in the initial reactionary state of mind. Just a thought. A person can always change. > > If I tie you up and torture you for 24 hours, believe me, you are going to > want to kill > me. It will not be a "choice" that you make after careful deliberate > reasoning. I beg to differ here. Hopefully none of us here has had to go through tourture, or ever will, but a blanket statement about people *always* reacting in such a way as to want to kill the person doing the torture is a little misguided. One can only speak for themselves in such situations. It just sounds like you and others are trying to find reasons to justify your hatred of other people/people groups. It's your right to have that mindset, and I respect that. It doesn't make the mindset "right" and it doesn't make it necessarily beneficial to you or anyone else. Closed-mindedness and reactionary thinking is what gets people into war and is what got us into this situation in the first place, from both sides of this war. JMO Feel free to flame away, I'm wearing my asbestos britches. -- Preston Kutzner If you wish to reach me, email me at: guisseppe27 at hotmail dot com