Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!onodera-news!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Joe Cabaup" Newsgroups: alt.martial-arts.judo,japan.budo.judo References: <3e03486f$0$1520$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Subject: Re: Strong throw Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:51:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.64.254.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1042390311 68.64.254.85 (Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:51:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 11:51:51 EST Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.budo.judo:112 It looks alot like hiki komi gaeshi but instead of tori landing on his back and rolling into the Osaekomi he flings himself into the Osaekomi. It is still a sacrifice throw because he is "sacrificing" his position. Now the next question? Is this Nagewaza to be scored, or a "takedown" that would have no score? I would have to refer to the rule I learned about hiki komi gaeshi and sumi gaeshi. If there is no separation between the bodies as in hikikomi then there is no score; if there is a degree of separation (I think 90') then it is not hikikomi but sumi gaeshi. Any shimpans out there to confirm or deny? Joe "Wetienne" wrote in message news:3e03486f$0$1520$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > Hi, > > Do you know the name for this throw ? > > http://cercle.mikage.judo.free.fr/judo_rysskast.avi > > Thanks, > EM > >