Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.heimat.gr.jp!news.tutrp.tut.ac.jp!news.cc.tut.ac.jp!nfeed.gw.nagoya-u.ac.jp!news-sv.sinet!ns04b.ous.ac.jp!nd-os001.ocn.ad.jp!dojima-n0.hi-ho.ne.jp!not-for-mail From: Ernest Schaal Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Re: Politicians block comic over 'fake' Nanjing Massacre tale Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:13:05 +0900 Organization: hi-ho Internet. Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <73fde4f0.0410141040.6f70a6c4@posting.google.com> <73fde4f0.0410141415.1c2658f6@posting.google.com> <2tbirjF1tlj10U1@uni-berlin.de> <2tf1v0F1v1mj6U1@uni-berlin.de> <2tfc0gF1u2s79U1@uni-berlin.de> <2tgniiF1vtr89U1@uni-berlin.de> <2tk55uF215ktfU1@uni-berlin.de> <2tkihtF1u6qi4U1@uni-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: gif3-p244.flets.hi-ho.ne.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dojima-n0.hi-ho.ne.jp 1098224061 25134 219.126.220.244 (19 Oct 2004 22:14:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: dojima-n0.hi-ho.ne.jp NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:14:21 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.5.030814.0 Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:19693 in article 2tkihtF1u6qi4U1@uni-berlin.de, m.yoshida at masa@yahoo.co.jp wrote on 10/19/04 10:18 PM: > "Ernest Schaal" wrote in message > news:BD9B121F.298FB%eschaal@max.hi-ho.ne.jp... >> in article 2tk55uF215ktfU1@uni-berlin.de, m.yoshida at masa@yahoo.co.jp >> wrote on 10/19/04 6:30 PM: >> >>> "Ernest Schaal" wrote in message >>> One of the reasons why Japanese scholars of modern history use the >>> term "Nanking Incident" would be that the debate is included a question >>> whether or not the "Rape" really took place. If they use the term "Rape >>> of Nanking"you like, then it follows that they have to argue on the >>> assumption that the "Rape" really happened. As a scholar they are >>> unwilling to deal with such an unexamined conviction. >> >> The Rape of Nanking didn't happen? I suppose you believe the Holocaust >> didn't happen either? This act of denial is telling, as telling as the >> denial of the Holocaust by neo-Nazis. > > I have already said that my position is close to Professor Hata's one. > I estimate the number of the Chinese victims at 40,000-50,000. If you > still suppose I believe the incident didn't happen, I doubt about your > ability of English. My mother used to say "Don't tell a lie, Masayuki". Okay, so you estimate the number of Chinese victims at 40,000-50,000, so why do you say: "One of the reasons why Japanese scholars of modern history use the term "Nanking Incident" would be that the debate is included a question whether or not the "Rape" really took place." Do you think the rape occurred? Do you doubt that the Japanese military committed atrocities? Do you think the 40,000-50,000 deaths were justified? There seems to be a conflict between your most recent statement and that of the time before. I am not trying to trick you, instead I am trying to get you to clarify your remarks. By the way, I doubt the high numbers of the Chinese estimates and the real low numbers of the Japanese apologists. I don't doubt that rape and murder was used as a military tactic to scare other Chinese cities into surrender. >>>> If I had read more books in Japanese would it mean that your comments would >>>> sound a tad less bigoted or more bigoted? If so, why? >>> >>> Whatever you may say, it is just a description, which means you have >>> not given an explanation. I don't think I'm bigoted. >> >> I have no doubt that you believe you are not bigoted. You simply feel >> superior to the Chinese > > No. I like Chinese people and things, such as old poems, foods, I judged you a bigot because of your general remarks about the Chinese people as over-emotional, over-political, and having a tendency to exaggerate. I asked for clarification if you really believed that, and you affirmed that you did feel that way. Are you willing to admit that your statements were a tad extreme and don't really reflect your true opinion of the Chinese people? >> because they are so "political" and "emotional" and >> they "prefer exaggerations." I am sure the average Nazi didn't feel bigoted >> either. >> >>>> Personally, I don't see a direct connection between my reading habits and >>>> your apparent racism and bigotry. >>> >>> Racism and bigotry? Prove. >> >> You proved it with your own words. > > Did such a defense skill have a swift effect in courtroom? My lawyer training did help in analyzing in flaws in arguments.