"masayuki" <FAKE@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message news:<2ulvjnF2cubgbU1@uni-berlin.de>...
> "John W." <worthj1970@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4185BA74.4040407@yahoo.com...
> > FreddieN wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't believe that racism and bigotry has anything to to with
> > > genes. Nor do I believe that people make any deliberate attempt to
> > > become racists and bigots. With few exceptions, I think that most
> > > people become that way through either the surrounding culture which
> > > either encourages or condones such thinking, or through events which
> > > have occured in a persons life that at the least gives rise to sharp
> > > bigoted thinking and at worst trauma from which one can suffer for
> > > years.
> > >
> > If you have such a strong desire for revenge, join the military and
> > you'll at least have the possibility of doing something. Otherwise
> > you're just sitting around complaining.
> 
> Are you also just sitting around bitching, John? So am I.
> 
Certainly. I'm a black belt in bitching. Third dan.

> > > I was in Manhattan on Tuesday September 11, 2001. Forgive me if I am
> > > not a model of tolerance.
> > >
> > So? There are thousands of young muslims who have been killed or had 
> > their lives otherwise destroyed by the policies of the US and our 
> > allies. By your definition of what justifies racism/prejudice they are 
> > right to hate us. That puts us in a perpetual downward spiral of hatred.
> 
> I thought that Freddie was talking about determinism: all our choices 
> and actions are causally determined.  The factors are, for example, 
> inevitability, surroundings or environment, the past, and irresistible 
> desires.
> 
Maybe. I might have read too much into his use of the term raghead.

John W.