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> > >
> > > You have no point because I think you have zero understanding of
Korea.
> > > Unlike for a foreign occupier, the North Korean people will die
fighting
> > for
> > > their own leadership.  Whether this is due to indoctrination and
> > > intimidation is irrelevant.  The net result of war will almost
certainly
> > > have to be total destruction of North Korea.  You cannot understand
why
> > > South Koreans want to continue patiently engaging North Korea in
> diplomacy
> > > rather than war if you do not truly understand the concept of one
> nation.
> >
> >         Most North Koreans would not fight for their leadership. Maybe
you
> > should keep up with the North Korean news.
>
> Your point is very useful in arguing the importance of being patient.  It
> would have been implausible even a decade ago to assume *any* North Korean
> resistance to their leadership.
>
> I am curious to know where you read that most North Koreans have lost
their
> loyalty to the leadership.

        Go to nknet.org for information about North Korea.

> There is a million man regular army in North
> Korea.  It is not quite a world-class army, but its size is the main
factor.
> Certainly there are civilian North Koreans who are aware of the failings
of
> their leaders; quite many have crossed the border into Manchuria and been
> able to compare the different versions of reality, but the control over
the
> people is so strict that most of those North Koreans who have seen the
> outside world do not dare influence even their own family members.

        I agree. It will be extremely difficult for North Koreans to
overthrow Kim Jongil's regime. Maybe someone should give the North Koreans
some help...

> > >
> > > Your attitude here demonstrates exactly why so many people in the
world
> > > resent Americans.  One can only reason in such ways when one is the
> > biggest
> > > bully in the sandlot.
> > > As I said before, the objective, a deeper and truer one than you can
> > > imagine, of every Korean is to see the _peaceful_ reunification of the
> > > nation.
> >
> >         Yes, while hoping for the best, the worst in happening. The
longer
> > reunification takes, the more the North Koreans suffer.
>
> So, again, what do you propose?  War?  Will you stop China and Russia from
> interceding during-- and after-- a war that is fought literally on their
> borders

        What kind of question is this? Why would I stop China and Russia
from interceding. My point was this, if so many North Koreans were suffering
and the South invaded to stop this, it would be the moral thing to do. Like
how Vietnam invaded Cambodia to stop the Khmer Rouge. And if China and
Russia invade, so what, fight them. What are you so afraid of? Geez.

> Will the US pay for the staggering costs of reconstruction?  Will
> you be able to accept a lifetime of blame for causing the war from
> anti-Americans all over the world?

        I am sure that the world will help for reconstruction. But even if
no one helped with the reconstruction costs, it would be worth it to save
millions of North Koreans from tyranny. And why should the US pay for
anything? Why don't you take matters into your own hands.


> > > >         Well I don't want to argue about what you mean by
severely...
> > The
> > > > economy is not going to tank and the people here won't be starving.
> > >
> > > A war in Korea would be the biggest war since WW2.
> >
> >         And yet wouldn't you say that WW2 was a war that had to be
fought?
>
> The point was that the US economy is not an immovable mountain.   But I
must
> say I am amazed by your war-mongering.   War is the final option, and I
have
> never heard anyone calling for war in Korea except Americans.   But let's
> see how you feel as war is brought more and more to your frontyard.

        War-mongering? Am I saying invade other countries for conquest,
money or resources. Have I recommended South Korea invade every country in
the world? What I said was considering the human tradegy occuring North
Korea, maybe something should be done about it. And if you believe that you
can peacefully unify with North Korea as it is, you are insane. I believe
was is bad and I would hate to see it come here. But those who bring it here
get punished...

> > > >
> > > >         Well, what prevents Korea from being a power?
> > >
> > > Take a close look at a globe.  Compare the size of Korea to China,
> Russia,
> > > Japan, and the US.  The only way that the Koreans are going to get any
> > > respect is to have lots of nukes and the means to deploy them all the
> way
> > to
> > > Beijing, Moscow, and Washington, D.C.
> >
> >         Japan doesn't have nukes. And look at a map of England and
France.
> > Those countries were not that big either.
>
> The UK and France have nukes.  Japan is almost twice the size of both
Koreas
> combined.  None of those countries were cut in half and turned into
> garrisons for armies with competing ideologies.

        So Korea will never be a power I guess. You don't become a power by
making excuses. UK and France didn't always have nukes. UK and France were
once weak countries. Japan was also a weak country. If population was what
mattered, than China and India would be the most powerful nations on earth.

> > > Personally, I would rather the US just continue to defend South Korea.
> If
> > > you study the history of East Asia you will learn that Koreans have
> always
> > > been the most peaceful non-adventurist people in the region, but their
> > > neighbors have never been able to resist meddling in Korean affairs.
> > > Everyone predicts China to be the chief threat to US global hegemony
> > within
> > > the next two generations.  Americans better understand what that
means.
> > All
> > > things considered, the Americans are by far a better ally than the
> > Chinese.
> >
> >         Being "the most peaceful non-adventurist people" is one of a
worst
> > flaws a people can have.
>
> Then you should have no practical or moral objections at all against North
> Korea's nuclear weapons program and Iraq's biological weapons program.

        By "the most peaceful non-adventurist people" I assumed you meant
"the most peaceful non-adventurist people". North Korea is backwards because
they are the most isolated("non-adventurist") nation on earth.

> > It eventually leads to stagnation and backwardness.
> > That's why while the Western powers, Russia, Japan were modernizing and
> > advancing, Korea did not and became a pawn of superpowers.
>
> Why does being powerful necessarily mean that a country must be aggressive
> and expansionist like most of the West and Japan?   Switzerland, like
Korea,
> is small and surrounded by more militaristic and belligerent powers, and
has
> been able to maintain her sovereignty and be very prosperous despite being
> peaceful and non-adventurist.

        Do you consider Switzerland to be a "powerful" country? I don't.