Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.daionet.gr.jp!news.yamada.gr.jp!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!216.196.110.149.MISMATCH!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!proxad.net!193.252.118.146.MISMATCH!news.wanadoo.fr!news.wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Reply-To: "b" <...> From: "b" Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan References: <2vh3o1F2ibeukU3@uni-berlin.de> <2vham9F2keqitU1@uni-berlin.de> <3su7p0l6gok77agv9hpqp0ff4m0d4i6ngm@4ax.com> <2vifivF2ibeukU9@uni-berlin.de> <41949bc3$0$10652$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> <2vl7vdF2jtoalU5@uni-berlin.de> <4195d67e$0$8273$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> <2vmmadF2nvh5vU4@uni-berlin.de> Subject: Re: It should have happened at Israel's hands Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:38:09 +0100 Organization: ... X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <41965495$0$5908$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ASt-Lambert-152-2-4-141.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: 1100371094 news.wanadoo.fr 5908 82.120.204.141:1230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:21896 >>>What's hate-based about it? Would it be less hated-based if I said he >>>died from being pushed out a window? >> >> >> Yes absolutely. > > Why? Because being pushed-out from a window obviously doesn't have the same implications as suggesting that someone has died from what can possibly be an STD, especially when linking this supposed disease to a person's supposed sexual orientations has you have done in your posts. In saying someone "died from being pushed out of a window" : being "pushed out" implies accidental or malevolent action, whereas here you're speculating on the causes of a death ( hidden by the French, that you don't seem to hold in your heart either) from a supposed disease, that you yourself linked to Arafat's supposed sexual preferences as most likely cause of contamination, hence of disease, hence of death... And as a lawyer, I'm sure you've somehow been confronted to issues of public image and the phenomenon of rumors before, and their implications. Now in your posts, you were speculating on Arafat's morbus et qualitas mortis, based on rumors about his supposed seropositivity and sexual preferences. I may be wrong of course, but what I read in your posts was "the man was gay, ( he liked boys), he died of AIDS". As Louise mentioned, the sheer fact that you mentioned, and somehow linked sexual orientation and an eventual AIDS contamination, made me wonder what was behind it, and although you seemed to try to smoothen these statements with a quick mention "not that there's anything wrong with it", I do doubt that this was entirely innocent. Especially coming from someone who doesn't hold Arafat in his heart ( one might says "hates the guy's guts"). But this little disgression will not make me forget that your initial post's subject line was suggesting that Arafat "should" have died "at Israel's hand", while this same state of Israel now has a war-criminal as a Prime Minister and that I don't value war criminals more than I do terrorists or ex-terrorists... b