Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!news.daionet.gr.jp!news.yamada.gr.jp!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: "John W." Newsgroups: fj.life.in-japan Subject: Re: Private for Raj Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:22:55 -0600 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <41900DDF.5060703@yahoo.com> References: <1099507564.292484.79620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <2uuj22F2dv4skU2@uni-berlin.de> <2uujetF2fcp7aU2@uni-berlin.de> <2v062nF2h2lumU8@uni-berlin.de> <6PTid.18276$6q2.13705@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> <1099845266.298938.301220@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <418EDF82.5030905@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 37d31ImJ+4ZS5w+SQBFzKgp4qFHYGtqVljMJnnChDc5Xy9SqZ+ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: ja,en Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.life.in-japan:21568 necoandjeff wrote: > John W. wrote: > >>Brett Robson wrote: >> >>> >>>John W. wrote: >>> >>> >>>>necoandjeff wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Whether you call it born again or not, isn't Kevin simply >>>>>referring to that >>>>>simply wonderful Christian concept that (thanks to that nasty >>>>>bitch Eve) all >>>>>people are essentially born bad, evil people with wretched >>>>>souls that need >>>>>to be saved in order to go to heaven. And isn't it the being >>>>>saved part that >>>>>makes one "born again." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I refuse to speculate what he is referring to, but whether or not >>>>that's the origin of 'born again' is irrelevant. These days to be >>>>born again means to stray from the path and then re-discover God. >>> >>> >>>Do bother. Gowen is Catholic, all his answers are in the cannon (he >>>likes rules). Anything that disagrees with that is heresy. >> >>Then he doesn't even need to worry about being born again. All he has >>to do is talk to a priest, rub his penis, say some magic words, and >>his sins magically go away. > > > Fixed. By 'his' I assume you're talking about the Priest's? Because rubbing your own is a sin, though such a dichotomy wouldn't be unusual in religion. John W.