Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!honnetnews!news.gw.fukushima-u.ac.jp!news.tains.tohoku.ac.jp!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newshosting.com!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!diablo.voicenet.com!prodigy.com!newsmst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr29.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!ff34e759!not-for-mail Message-ID: <409AF3DA.55E7@armory.com> From: "R. Steve Walz" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: es.comp.neuronal,comp.robotics.misc,fj.comp.ai,de.sci.informatik.ki Subject: Re: International Journal of Humanoid Robotics (IJHR) - Vol 1 No 1 References: <3fc7542c.0404271710.66eba09a@posting.google.com> <408f3a61@news.victoria.tc.ca> <40910552.2040606@lycos.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.126.40.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr29.news.prodigy.com 1083896592 ST000 67.126.40.80 (Thu, 06 May 2004 22:23:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:23:12 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: SCSYASJE]JVWCPLXKBOF_ZLAPJT@QDDMEPWXODMMHXMTWA]EPUW[AKK[J\]^HVKHG^EWZHBLO^[\NH_AZFWGN^\DHNVMX_DHHX[FSQKBOTS@@BP^]C@RHS_AGDDC[AJM_T[GZNRNZAY]GNCPBDYKOLK^_CZFWPGHZIXW@C[AFKBBQS@E@DAZ]VDFUNTQQ]FN Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 02:23:12 GMT Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org fj.comp.ai:15 Zagan wrote: > > "Wolfgang Lorenz" wrote in message > news:c705if$ihs$1@online.de... > > > Their first task would be to remove the biological > > > infestation from the third planet orbiting the > > > insignificant star called Sol. > > > > Intelligent robots will not carry out such a stupid order. > > [Zagan] > "Intelligent" robots does not imply "free-will" robots, so such > robots, while intelligent, may have no choice but to follow > instructions given to them. > // Jim ------------------------------------- AI implies learning from experience, not programming, but they are really the same, in that this is NOT "free will". WE don't have free will either, because we cannot change our beliefs about anything without an external cause making us choose to do that, and then we cannot prevent ourselves from doing it either. We are beings of cause and effect, just like a robot, but we are self-aware in that our mind models us as a character in a story called Our Life, and when robots can do that as a means of analysis and planning to the degree we do it, then they will be self-aware just like we are. Still, there is NO such thing as supposed "Free Will". Our brain works by chemical cause and effect, and the causes are either external, or internal to our brain but still not precisely "ourself". -Steve -- -Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!! http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public