From: "Chols" Newsgroups: japan.budo.judo References: <40898aab$1_2@news.arrakis.es> <408c5423_1@news.arrakis.es> Subject: Re: Shangaku gatame (jime?) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:13:22 +0200 Lines: 86 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.49.156.149 Message-ID: <408d6d6b_3@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: caladan.arrakis.es 1083010411 212.49.156.149 (26 Apr 2004 22:13:31 +0100) Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: ccsf.homeunix.org!ccsf.homeunix.org!news1.wakwak.com!nf1.xephion.ne.jp!onion.ish.org!honnetnews!news.gw.fukushima-u.ac.jp!news.tains.tohoku.ac.jp!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.online.be!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!194.72.7.126.MISMATCH!news-peer-test!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!195.5.65.34.MISMATCH!caladan.arrakis.es Xref: ccsf.homeunix.org japan.budo.judo:268 Ok, I just came back from my Judo class, and I had the opportunity to start the technique as you told me. It definitely works much better this way. I tried it four times, and although I only managed to choke once, I also ended up holding and immobilicing once too. Thank you very much for the tip! Chols. "Chols" escribió en el mensaje news:408c5423_1@news.arrakis.es... > Thanks Jigotai. I'll try it this monday if I have the opportunity to do > so, and I'll let you know about the results. > > Chols. > > "Jigotai" escribió en el mensaje > news:c6ef5c$ajt2d$1@ID-113466.news.uni-berlin.de... > > Hi Chols... > > > I've recently come back to Judo after some time off due to change of > > > residence and a hard time at work. I am now at the Bushidokwai club here > > in > > > Madrid, Spain. These people train very differently to what I was used > to. > > > For instance, they do A LOT of ne waza, and this has given me the > > > opportunity to practice some techniques that I didn't quite master when > I > > > should have. So, here comes a little question for you. > > > > I will try to help you. Sankaku is my favourite choke. > > > > > It seem to be impossible for me to choke or even immobilize anyone > > using > > > Shangaku (Shankaku?) gatame technique. I think the approach I take is > > > correct. When my opponent adopts a defensive face down position in ne > > waza, > > > I pull him towards me and then "insert" one foot between his body and > one > > > arm, and insert the knee of my other leg beside his neck trying to make > a > > > triangle hold. The problem is that when I roll to the side (I tried both > > > sides) I find my leg is not quite controlling his neck, so the legs have > a > > > difficult time coming together. What am I doing wrong? Can someone > please > > > describe this hold/choke to me? Thank you very much. > > > > The timing of the movement is very important. When you insert your left > foot > > between his boby and arm, you have to be sure your heel (talón in Spanish) > > touch your right knee. If there's no contact, you'd better not begin to > > roll. Maybe in this point you have the problem. As far as my expierence is > > concerned, if you begin to roll without this "left heel- right knee" > > contact, uke will break the choke. When you have contacted heel with knee > > and you have rolled over the mat, you have to find rigth arm of uke (if we > > inserted left foot at beginning). You have to pull energically rigth arm > of > > uke towards you. At this moment, your legs will hold energically uke. And > > you have the choke ready to do. If uke doesn't quit, you can do an > arm-lock > > to right arm of uke. > > > > I hope that be usefull. > > > > Best regards > > > > Angel > > > > > > > >