From: "Chols" <NOSPAM@NOMESCRIBAS.JARL>
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Subject: Re: Shangaku gatame (jime?)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 02:13:20 +0200
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    Thanks Jigotai. I'll try it this monday if I have the opportunity to do
so, and I'll let you know about the results.

    Chols.

"Jigotai" <jigo@ono.es> escribió en el mensaje
news:c6ef5c$ajt2d$1@ID-113466.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hi Chols...
> >     I've recently come back to Judo after some time off due to change of
> > residence and a hard time at work. I am now at the Bushidokwai club here
> in
> > Madrid, Spain. These people train very differently to what I was used
to.
> > For instance, they do A LOT of ne waza, and this has given me the
> > opportunity to practice some techniques that I didn't quite master when
I
> > should have. So, here comes a little question for you.
>
> I will try to help you. Sankaku is my favourite choke.
>
> >     It seem to be impossible for me to choke or even immobilize anyone
> using
> > Shangaku (Shankaku?) gatame technique. I think the approach I take is
> > correct. When my opponent adopts a defensive face down position in ne
> waza,
> > I pull him towards me and then "insert" one foot between his body and
one
> > arm, and insert the knee of my other leg beside his neck trying to make
a
> > triangle hold. The problem is that when I roll to the side (I tried both
> > sides) I find my leg is not quite controlling his neck, so the legs have
a
> > difficult time coming together. What am I doing wrong? Can someone
please
> > describe this hold/choke to me? Thank you very much.
>
> The timing of the movement is very important. When you insert your left
foot
> between his boby and arm, you have to be sure your heel (talón in Spanish)
> touch your right knee. If there's no contact, you'd better not begin to
> roll. Maybe in this point you have the problem. As far as my expierence is
> concerned, if you begin to roll without this "left heel- right knee"
> contact, uke will break the choke. When you have contacted heel with knee
> and you have rolled over the mat, you have to find rigth arm of uke (if we
> inserted left foot at beginning). You have to pull energically rigth arm
of
> uke towards you. At this moment, your legs will hold energically uke. And
> you have the choke ready to do. If uke doesn't quit, you can do an
arm-lock
> to right arm of uke.
>
> I hope that be usefull.
>
> Best regards
>
> Angel
>
>
>