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> "Eric Takabayashi" <etakajp@yahoo.co.jp> wrote in message
>
> > It's pretty hard to deny a needle in the heart if it's still there.
>
> They didn't deny.

Then it will be pretty awkward at best to publicly remain silent if confronted
by a lawyer or mass media, yes?

> >They should
> > record all interactions with that hospital, as well as get a lawyer and go
> to
> > the news.
>
> A lawyer can take the needle off ?

No, but a lawyer could "negotiate" a fairer settlement, if not try to find an
actual punishment.

> Mistakes during operations happen everyday.

Yes, it is alleged in the US that nearly 100,000 deaths per year are caused by
hospital error, which would make hospital error one of the leading causes of
death. It needs to be stopped.

> Only people that never do nothing never make mistakes.

And  would you believe people such as medical professionals who deal in human
life should be among the most damned careful and competent imaginable, and not
make the amazing screwups they do, not even just the ones that come to light in
Japan?

> If you go for an operation, you take the risk
> of getting a forgotten needle, you also take the risk the operation fails a
> little or completely or that the anesthesics kill you. And if you don't want
> to take the risk, you stay like that, unoperated.

I'll take the risk I'll die during treatment or lack of it, because my
condition is so serious, such as having cancer or being brought in after a
traffic accident, NOT because the medical staff screwed up by operating on the
wrong (healthy) side of the body, operated on the wrong patients with similar
names or in the same ward, transplanted the wrong organs, left instruments in,
hooked up the heart lung machine backwards, put toxic material into the IV,
etc.

> I don't see why surgeons should lose their time and nerves with idiot
> judiciary fights and talk to families that want to hear "remorses" as if the
> hospital team was a gang of criminals.

Did you read the story? Are you one of those believe doctors are above the rest
of humanity? If businesspeople screw up by losing a lot of money and only
money, or a truck driver causes an accident resulting in injury or death; even
accidentally, they may pay for it out of their own pocket or face serious
consequences in their careers. People like truck drivers may end up in jail.

> Justice has enough to do with the
> real abuses like when hospitals cover the mistakes.
>
> Bill is not dead, the hospital will probably make the best to be sure the
> needle doesn't pose problem or  they'll operate to take it away.

Are you sure?

> For the
> second doctor, Bill should have asked his family doctor or the surgeon to
> contact him, because calling him directly may sound like "Be our support
> against the other hospital. ",

Note the hospital "SUGGESTED" they get a second opinion, yes? Note the other
hospital would HAVE had access to the records, yes? Note that some pressure was
needed to get some results from the first hospital, yes? Did you see any
mention that they wanted to resolve it on their own? Is being against "ichi
ichi" explanation or being "o-erai" the proper attitude in a situation like
this?

> and no professionnal wants to lose time in
> vendettas.

This is not about vendetta. It's about the hospital doing what's right, and
what should be done about them if they aren't willing do so on their own.

> Maybe Ryan can try again that way.
>
> A hospital made a spectacular series of mistake on my grand-mother : too
> many patients, not enough staff (even with the sisters or other volunteers),
> and that's sad to say, but things are getting even worse as the staff have
> to cope with the attitude of patients and their "consumer mentality",

Imagine that. A "consumer mentality" when lives are on the line. Hospitals
could be LESS busy or stressed if they didn't make these "mistakes" possibly
resulting in more work, in the first place.

> and
> surgeons are stressed with the threats of absurd trials.

What is "absurd" to you in this incident? NOT the hospital(s) actions or
attitudes?

> Well, that's life. For my grand-ma, we've asked the doctors to try to
> repare. Not one person in the family talked about asking money or justice.

You'd just have them go back in, open your grandmother up (again) and go after
the needle in her heart if it were your family? You think another operation in
itself carries no life threatening risk? No concern for what the RESULT of
trying to "repair" her would be?

And do you believe that such "repair" or treatment for any resulting condition
from this error or the second operation which should never have been necessary
in the first place should be paid for by the family, the hospital, or the
national insurance system?

And the "absurd" family, who allegedly harbors this "consumer mentality" over
their family member's HEART operation, should "get" nothing at all? Not even,
apparently, an apology? I am shocked that the Japanese doctors made an
admission of error in the first place, WITHOUT a lawsuit or media attention.