Michael Cash wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 19:58:05 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan_murphy@hotmail.com> belched the alphabet and kept on going
> with:
> 
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>On 30 Jul 2003 22:44:14 -0700, Brett Robson <jet_boy@deja.com> belched
>>>the alphabet and kept on going with:
>>
>>>>"Wherever you go, you carry a message of hope - a message that is ancient and
>>>>ever new. In the words of the prophet Isaiah, 'To the captives, come out, and to
>>>>those in darkness, be free."' President Bush II exhorting his soldiers on their
>>>>Crusades.
>>>
>>>So I take it you think freeing the Iraqi people from the Hussein
>>>regime was a bad thing? Or are you just anti-Bush no matter what?
>>
>>I think Brett's sig is from http://www.monbiot.com/ - see "America Is a 
>>Religion"
>>
>>Sepponia made Hussein who he was, supported him despite everything he 
>>did, and despite media reports to the contrary, nobody in Iraq is free 
>>yet. I can't speak for Brett re Sepponia's dear leader, but I have 
>>relatives and friends serving in harms way in Iraq (both in the US 
>>military and in others), and not only do I think they should have gone 
>>there under the circumstances in which they did, I want them home ASAP.
 >
> And Britain appeased Hitler, making one less impediment in his path.

Aye. Amongst many others too. People like Lindbergh were more common on 
both sides of the Atlantic than post war "we were all anti-fascist" 
accounts tend to suggest. Without Pearl Harbor, I've often wondered 
whether the third reich might not still exist in one form or other. For 
all his efforts, its hard to see how FDR could have declared war on 
Germany before 1943 or so.

> Sepponia very likely bears some similar guilt. Does that make coming
> along afterwards and getting the living skeletons out of the camps any
> less a good deed?

Of course. If our troops could manage to remove torture, assassination, 
human rights abuses and the gun from politics then its never to late to 
undo past mistakes. I simply doubt that they can. That is one serious 
screwed up country.

> If you forgot a "not" in the next to last line, though, my opinion on

I did indeed forget a "not". That post was unfortunately sent 
pre-dinner. Starving Iraqi children notwithstanding, a man has to 
remember his priorities. It was a nice lasagna with a drop of chianti in 
case you're wondering.

> the matter largely resembles yours. Anybody who thinks those people
> will either create or maintain anything resembling a democracy
> probably forgot to exhale.

I think the most likely scenario is that ordinary Iraqis will find when 
the dust settles that one CIA backed, totalitarian government of thugs 
dishing out contracts to Halliburton etc will have been replaced by a 
CIA backed, totalitarian government of thugs dishing out contracts to 
Halliburton etc.


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