Kevin Gowen wrote:
> 
> Curt Fischer wrote:
> > George wrote:
> >>
> >> "Kevin Gowen" <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ben9fc$79he3$1@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >>> Jason Cormier wrote:
> >>>> On 7/10/03 20:52, in article
> >>>> bel1pq$6erpl$1@ID-105084.news.uni-berlin.de, "Kevin Gowen"
> >>>> <kgowenNOSPAM@myfastmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I hasten to add that grading papers can be done during work hours.
> >>>>
> >>>> A teacher's job is not only teaching classes and grading papers.
> >>>> There are other things that must also be done during work hours, or
> >>>> outside of them.
> >>
> >> Sorry to lump multiple thoughts in one post. I am an engineer and I
> >> have family members who are teachers.
> >>
> >> As far as work hours there is no comparison. If you work as an
> >> engineer 10 hour minimun days are common and it is not unusual to
> >> work on Saturdays.
> >
> > That's funny.  When I worked at as a microelectronics process
> > engineer,
> > ten hour minimum days were uncommon and it was unusual to work on
> > Saturdays.
> 
> Maybe you are a more efficient engineer than George and his coworkers were.
> Of course, an efficient economy isn't very popular.
> 
> >> And
> >> it is very usual to take work home.
> >
> > Where I worked it was against company policy to take most kinds of
> > work
> > home.
> 
> Did you work for a defense contractor such as Lockheed Martin?

Nope.  The very, very private sector IBM Corp.  I would say that aside
from HR related documents, at least 50%, probably more like 80%, of the
papers I saw all had "IBM Confidential" written on them and were not to
removed from the premesis.

> >> Teaching can not be beat for a job guarantee. It is almost
> >> impossible to fire a teacher and certainly not because of bad
> >> performance. In the private sector it is not unusual to be out of a
> >> job because of commercial considerations.
> >
> > This part I agree more with.  When I was in high school we had one
> > teacher who wound up in a torid affair with a very beautiful, and very
> > 17, student of his.  She was named Kreis.  Shortly after it became
> > common to walk past this guy in the hallway and say "Hey, Mr. X, do
> > you
> > need an iron?  'Cause you got a Kreis in your pants...", he got fired.
> >
> > Later in the local papers it became apparent that the police and the
> > school had known about his affair for some months.  But it was not
> > until
> > it became common knowledge among the student body that they had to
> > fire
> > him.
> 
> Ooh! Perfect example of the purpose of unions.
> 
> P.S. Do you have a jpeg of Kreis? How torrid was the affair? Tell us some of
> the stories!

My only photos are in my high school yearbook which is, alas, thousands
of km away.  The affair was originally discovered when the girl fell
into depression and her parents read her diary.  Turned out she had
anticipated the teacher ditching his wife (the school nurse!) and being
with her forever, which wasn't happening.  I don't know many of the
details, but I seem to recall that some of the rendezvouses were on
school grounds.  I think the tennis bleachers.

-- 
Curt Fischer